Cons on the wrong side of the issues #3. Medicare

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  1. gophangover

    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    Like Social Security, the cons have been trying to destroy Medicare since it began. So again, they are saying they just want to "reform" it. The Jig is up cons, America ain't buying your koolaid any more. The con mantra has been "destroy" Obamacare too. That didn't fly, so now Romney says he's just going to "reform" it, because uninsured people are just going to the emergency room for health care, which is putting too much unpaid bills on the hospitals. Of course, his plan is to ban uninsured from getting in the hospitals. But he's not letting that cat out of the bag, but America knows.
     
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    I didn't know that. I thought he was just planning on outsourcing them too...Thanks for the tip!
     
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    Didn't the Democrats just cut Medicare by $1 trillion to pay for Obamacare?

    Its amazing how Democrats lie, and then they lie some more, and then they keep on lying.
     
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    Warning! Warning! Error...error! Nah....no error actually. LIE.
     
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    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    Really cons, the jig is up. No amount of denials will fool this country into believing that the GOP isn't out to destroy Medicare. This is why you are so far behind in the polls.
     
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    gophangover Well-Known Member

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    If the cons are allowed to destroy Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare, more than half of this country will be sick with pandemics. Don't you love the way the cons take care of America?
     
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    No, that is NOT what was done. If you don't really know, just look it up (and not at the Fox News site). But I submit that you DO really know, and are following through with the same LIE that some many Republicans have tried to use in the last few weeks.

    It's okay though, because every dishonest and deceptive 'angle' certain Conservatives and Republicans attempt to us... alienates more and more Americans. Too many blatant LIES have placed the whole Republican Party into a more tentative status with the American people... than before this election cycle. It's as though they pulled out any and every trick to direct hatred toward the President (lies, being a major aspect of such attacks)... but now it is all in the process of backfiring, simply because REALITY has a strong tendency to overcome 'hatred'.

    I saw this time coming; and I'm happy that it has begun to approach.
     
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    Or... if the (imaginary) 47% Romney truly do 'fail'... so will the rest of America.

    Whether Romney wins or not... wise policy needs to be pursued, or the nation is finished.
     
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    it was 700 billion over a course of 10 to 15 years. And it was the republicans who came up with it.

    Romney actually wanted to to simply cut it all out at once with Romneycare, but the dems would not let him.
     
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    You do know that Medicare will become unsustainable soon yet the democrats don't have any plan to deal with it.

    Better to destroy it and save a nation then bring the nation down with it.
     
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    Do you know that Medicare is paid for through a 2.9% payroll tax?
    Are you aware that the republican party has steadfastly blocked all attempts to raise this rate even though they know it is unsustainable?
    Are you aware that the ACA, or Obamacare, actually improves the finances of Medicare over the next decade?

    Obviously you do not or you would not have made such an ignorant post.
     
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    Republican lie. Medicare is solvent for quite some time.
     
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    And Social Security is fine too.
     
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    What's unsustainable, is hospitals caring for millions of people without healthcare insurance. Destroying Medicare, Medicaid and healthcare only invites pandemics to make half this country sick.

    This is what happens.....

    The Influenza Pandemic of 1918

    The influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more people than the Great War, known today as World War I (WWI), at somewhere between 20 and 40 million people. It has been cited as the most devastating epidemic in recorded world history. More people died of influenza in a single year than in four-years of the Black Death Bubonic Plague from 1347 to 1351. Known as "Spanish Flu" or "La Grippe" the influenza of 1918-1919 was a global disaster.


    The Grim Reaper by Louis Raemaekers

    In the fall of 1918 the Great War in Europe was winding down and peace was on the horizon. The Americans had joined in the fight, bringing the Allies closer to victory against the Germans. Deep within the trenches these men lived through some of the most brutal conditions of life, which it seemed could not be any worse. Then, in pockets across the globe, something erupted that seemed as benign as the common cold. The influenza of that season, however, was far more than a cold. In the two years that this scourge ravaged the earth, a fifth of the world's population was infected. The flu was most deadly for people ages 20 to 40. This pattern of morbidity was unusual for influenza which is usually a killer of the elderly and young children. It infected 28% of all Americans (Tice). An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during the pandemic, ten times as many as in the world war. Of the U.S. soldiers who died in Europe, half of them fell to the influenza virus and not to the enemy (Deseret News). An estimated 43,000 servicemen mobilized for WWI died of influenza (Crosby). 1918 would go down as unforgettable year of suffering and death and yet of peace. As noted in the Journal of the American Medical Association final edition of 1918:

    "The 1918 has gone: a year momentous as the termination of the most cruel war in the annals of the human race; a year which marked, the end at least for a time, of man's destruction of man; unfortunately a year in which developed a most fatal infectious disease causing the death of hundreds of thousands of human beings. Medical science for four and one-half years devoted itself to putting men on the firing line and keeping them there. Now it must turn with its whole might to combating the greatest enemy of all--infectious disease," (12/28/1918).
     
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    If my generation of 18-30 year olds (broad I know) won't see any SS reimbursement but have to pay in it, we'll gladly vote for Repubs who would bring it down.

    fair.
     
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    I wonder how the OP can sleep at night making up lies. Does he not realize that he is just a tool, a mouthpiece of liberal propaganda?
     
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    Just saying it's lies doesn't make it so. Prove it or you're the liar.

    When I was 18 I thought I knew everything too, then I grew up and started thinking before I make a fool of myself. Think it through. If Social Security is destroyed, Then the elderly won't have income or jobs. Destitute people usually end up in prison. So instead of the elderly living off of the money they paid into Social Security, you will will be footing the bill to keep them in prison, to the tune of $40k per person per year. Same with Medicare, cut the elderly off of that and the only choice they have is prison to get their healthcare. If you have thoughts of firing up the ovens like the nazis, we've got a nice little rubber room for you. You really need to start thinking of REAL solutions to the problem instead of just whining.
     
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    We won on this one too. Told you so.
     
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    Obama has proven he can win with lies. Is that what you are attempting to prove too?

    BTW, Obama cut $700 billion out of Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

    You libs still haven't responded to that.
     
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    Obama supporters are either
    A. Stupid
    B. Misguided
    C. Misinformed
    D. Don't care about any of that just as long as his skin color is black
    E. Informed and feel they are entitled to more of what I have earned.

    Can't decide which is worse, so I will just say they are all about even.
     
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    And I'll say that you are actually looking at yourself in a mirror. ever heard about the phenomena of "projection"?:eek:
     
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    That dead GOP horse is half decomposed by now, but yet they still beat it. "Continue to make the same stupid mistakes, and expecting different results, is well...stupid." Expect a repeat in 2016.
     
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    All it would take to fix medicare is to offer it to EVERYONE as an alternative (note that I didn't say force it on everyone!) to private insurance at twice the current cost the elderly pay for people below the age of 65.

    This would mean that everyone could be covered at 80% at a cost of between $55 and $110 per month.

    The positive effects would be:
    1. To create a REAL free market competition (rather than the current price fixing among the private insurance cartel), for all the health care insurance industry.
    2. Medicare average spending per capita would go down drastically because of a MUCH larger and MUCH healthier (due to age distribution) pool of insured.

    I see this as a much more human way to deal with medicare deficits than just throwing the elderly to the lions with a meager "voucher" for only defense . . . A voucher system for the elderly would represent a certain early death sentence!

    And such a system would still respect the principle of the REAL (rather than manipulated) free market since no one would be forced to join that "public option" but would be enticed to do so IF the private insurance industry refuses to compete by lowering their premiums.
     

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