Louisiana residents petition to secede

Part of NO is above sea level. Thats the port area. NO expanded into the "bowl" which is below sea level, and to protect that area they decided to build levees. democrats were in control of NO then, just as they are today.

NO is the exception for the Gulf States. Katrina hit Mississippi as hard as it hit NO, only NO was a model of incompetence - at least on theGulf Coast. We now have another model of incompetence and weakness by the populace - New Jersey.

 

new orleans is much more densely populated than waveland and bay st louis

so that's not really a valid comparison

 

As I previously stated, it does neither state a state can or cannot secede from the Union. However, for the state to consider it, it must adopt a state constitutional amendment making that claim and hoep that it passes all legal objections. In reality would be almost impossible for a state to do what is being discussed.

 

ASSuming aren't we. No I would not use the military. I would use free enterprise not to sell the oil to Louisiana by offering incentives not to do so.

 

The oil would be in Louisiana territorial waters, it would belong to La, not the federal govt. your entire premise is flawed.

 

I'm beginning to think that you start these flame type threads because you like being the center of attention and like to argue endlessly. Succeeding has less of a chance of happening than whatever you wanted to occur on your birther threads. Good Luck

 

I would hope no one wants to get rid of the South, particularly since air conditioning has made it pleasant enough so that very few folks one meets were actually born there. What are the fastest growing states again? But those folks from any region who have decided that it would be best to secede - well have at it. Just don't expect the majority of any state to go along. You'll need your own desert island, or ice flow - Alaska probably has some unpopulated areas you can have. Or there is always Death Valley, particularly since it is running of irrigation water. I hear Greenland is nice.

 

If all the Republican states secede who is going to pay for the nations welfare debts? They are all the hard workers of the nation

I don't think the President is going to let them secede peacefully from the union.

 

go ahead, secede. tired of picking up the bill from all the storms that hit that state, plus i think because most of the world hates most americans (including louisiana) they won't last long. of course i would like them to reconsider, especially because i'd hate to take the troops out of afghanistan just to tear our southern states apart again. civil war remember?

 

show me what bill you picked up

 

Do you know how much Government subsidies (corporate welfare) the Oil industry receives?

 

This post is very repetitive! We already covered that several times and the point is that the RED STATES (Louisiania in Particular) receive the largest amount of government subsidies (including, but not limited to, welfare), and contribute much less to the Feds than what they receive from the Feds.

I will not post AGAIN the links. . .but a couple were provided as factual sources earlier in this thread. Go find them if you wish, keep your ignorance if you wish. . .a moot point!

The fact is that, although I don't especially want the United States to be divided , I care a lot less about the South living the Union than the Blue States. . .as the Blue States are much richer and more self-sustaining (actually. .sustaining the South!) and it would be a relieve on the welfare system if the red states left the Union.

But, OBVIOUSLY that won't happen! There are plenty of smart and logical people in Red States also, and they KNOW what would happen to those States . . .they would turn into waste land, unless they were bought up by China!

So. . .have fun dreaming, but be aware that your "dream" would turn into a "nightmare" very quickly!

 

That only accounts for some of the oil produced in Louisiana. Oil from Alaska, some parts of Texas, and other regions in the US are primarily produced in Louisiana.

 

New Orleans expanded all throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. That has to do with American growth and King Cotton, and the tariffs as a result. When areas get more affluent they attract more people to live there. Barring some major disaster (whether economic or natural), these areas will continue to grow. New Orleans later became a tourist mecca when the steamboats carrying cotton no longer brought in large portions of revenues. And sprawl into bad areas has to do more with the lack of zoning that is prevalent in the urban South. There's a reason why cities need good urban planners, but there weren't many urban planners until very recently.

It's not a political conspiracy or ineptitude. It's a fact of the growth of civilizations. And every area is prone to some form of disaster, which is why every county in the US has a HSOEM, CERT, or branch of the county sheriff that deal with disasters.

 

Do you? Give us a number.

Can you name the actual subsidies? Please be specific.

 

priceofoil.org gives an estimate of $52 billion


"$52 billion. Highest credible comprehensive estimate. Includes some costs associated with defending pipelines and shipping lanes in the Persian Gulf. Earth Track, an NGO that specializes in subsidy valuation, estimates that annual oil, gas and coal subsidies total about $52 billion annually."

http://priceofoil.org/fossil-fuel-subsidies/


"The National Academy of Sciences estimates that health costs from fossil fuels totals $120 billion annually."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/science/earth/20fossil.html

 

The year before Katrina, Ivan destroyed Pensacola and the surrounding area, including Mississippi. Pensacola just went about rebuilding without crying to the feds. Mississippi was hit 2 years in a row (Ivan, then Katrina), and didnt complain, just went about rebuilding.

Entire towns in Mississippi were destroyed by Katrina. No building left standing. I know because my church kept a team of constuction workers there for 10 months rebuilding. No sign of FEMA or the feds, just volunteers, churches, Red Cross. Nobody whined. NJ has whined more in one week than Mississippi in 2 years.

 

you're wrong some mississippians whined like little babies

many even whined because new orleans got more attention than they did

and i know fema was in mississippi, i saw them in mcneill, mississippi after katrina hit

 

So the largest energy producer in the world gets approximate $52b of subsidy per year, while they make $.02/per gallon, and the us government spends $140b a week.

 

notice how i didn't say that

try taking a look at the references i posted

 

Zero, tax credits are not subsidies. Do you know what a subsidy is? obviously not.

 

better get your words straight, produced does not mean refined, produced means extracted from the ground. Actually there is no real way to know where the oil that goes into refineries comes from.

 

Those are not subsidies. Subsidies are when farmers are given money to let their fields sit idle. Subsidies are when the govt gives money to ethanol producers. The oil industry gets tax credits for exploration and developement expenses---those are NOT subsidies.

 

I know what it says. Merely making a comparison.

 

oh please, look at the reference on subsidies