The Ron Paul Effect: How Libertarians Gave Us Another Four Years of Obama

Libertarians voted for the libertarian, as we should have

Well unless that letter is an (L)....then you going to do what you should have right?
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Libertarians and Republicans are but a stones throw apart.......which is why Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Gary Johnson have been Republicans for the last 4 decades.....
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Yes, I'm a libertarian, but I have no qualms voting for someone in either the Democrat or Republican parties, if they embody what I believe in, small government, that was what I was trying to say. Likewise, if the libertarian party marched out some big government statist, I wouldn't vote for him.

It's you who votes party over person by supporting a neocon like Romney...

 

There is nothing remotely close between the likes of John McCain, Bush, Romney, Santorum, Gingrich and the likes of Johnson and Paul, on the issues. To even suggest as much is laughable.

 

Vote for who you want in the Primary....vote for something better in the General......
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....and yet they have all been Republicans for the last 4 decades. Because they share more commonalities than they do differences.....

Foreign Policy and a few social issues are all that stand between most Libertarians and Republicans......as Gary Johnson (R), Ron Paul (R), Rand Paul (R), and Bob Barr (R) demonstrate.....
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You keep citing that like it matters. The record matters, not the letter next to the name. Mitt Romney supports Obama on nearly every issue, Paul and Johnson do not.

THAT's what matters.

 

....of course it matters. It wasnt just coincidence that Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Gary Johnson have been Republicans for the last 4 decades.....
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I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

Mitt Romney is the same as Obama on nearly every issue. Those libertarians that happened to be in the Republican party were not. They are nothing alike. If Obama were to turn Republican and have the same stance on the issues as he always had, he would also be nothing like them. This is not a hard concept to grasp. Not rocket science, here.

 

No, blame Ron Paul if you want to. That's fine. If they had done to me what they did to him, I'd wanna (*)(*)(*)(*) their world up too. What's this honor thing you're talking about? He told you, many times, why he wouldn't run third party. He didn't think he could win that way, and didn't feel like going through it.

 

If that were true.....why were Libertarians like Rand Paul, Bob Barr, Wayne Allen Root and a host of others endorsing Romney?
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Ron Paul lost the Primary in landslide fashion.....unfortunately.....

.....nothing the big bad evil Republican Leadership did or didnt do was going to change that.

And if Ron Paul cant win running third party.....then the third party dreamers should take notice.....
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::Shrugs:: I can't speak for them. I guess they felt it was a lesser of two evils thing. Rand is probably trying to either infiltrate the Republican party, or has turned on his libertarian beliefs and wants to cozy up with them. I don't know for sure which one it is.

What I do know, is the two gentlemen I supported this year, Dr.Paul and Governor Johnson, did not support or endorse either Obama or Johnson, and are both on record as saying they were pretty much the same thing.

 

What does the actions of those guys have to do with the veracity of this statement?

 

That right there shows that the Republican party is the party of big government and deserves no libertarian support.

 

He didn't say it was a coincidence. He said that their individual positions differed. You're acting like there isn't a spectrum that is grand canyon wide within the Republican party these days. You take Mitt Romney who is bouncing off being a Democrat and then act like he has something remotely similar to offer as a man who is so far to the right that he's about to hit voluntaryism. Their records, their positions, etc are very different.

Now, is he closer to Ron Paul than Obama? Sure, but that isn't saying much.

The fact is that the (R) means nothing. Look at Snowe in Maine. How often did she vote with the Republicans in the Congress?

Now, you can continue to believe in this dialectic if you choose, but it simply isn't reality based. Feingold is more "conservative" than Romney. Kaine is more "conservative" than Romney. Snowe is more liberal than Tim Kaine.

It is not what you say you believe, but what you do in regards to that belief that is important.

 

it looks to me they dont need any Libertarian support.... Seeing how they hold more then half of the Governorships and held the Presidency and congress several times in the past 20 years.

Libertarians kill me how important they think they are.

 

That's what you believe? Why do you believe things for which there is no evidence. Why do you hold those beliefs in the teeth of evidence to the contrary?

 

Nor should you try....

The entire 2008 Libertarian Presidential ticket endorsed Romney....did you by chance vote for them?
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Great. Please tell that to Blackrook.

 

I wore combat boots with floral dresses in the 90's. I don't now.

 

Well you can take your less than 1% and go home if you want.......

......but you better realize the only Libertarians your ever going to see in elected office are those with an (R) next to their name.
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This has been the usual ignorance concerning Ron Paul.
How about reading about why Ron Paul voted against it instead of being a ignorant person.

http://slander.revolutioni.st/protects_pedophiles.html

 

There are differences in positions no doubt......but that doesnt discount or exclude the commonalities that kept them all Republicans for 40 years +.....

Thats saying everything.....once you drop the third party fantasyland bullsheet.....and decide to vote for something better.
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Do you believe Ron Paul and his 15% was going to win the Primary?
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