The Ron Paul Effect: How Libertarians Gave Us Another Four Years of Obama

Citing anything below 08 is irrelevant, the movement has grown significantly since then.

Gary Johnson got 1% of the vote, and angry Paul supporters stayed home. It cost Mittens the election. And the movement will only grown. You lost to one of the weakest incumbent Presidents of all time......

If you don't shape up, your party will die.

 

Even then, I'm not so sure. Both are huge corporatists, although it is true Romney does want to hit welfare and lower the corporate tax rate slightly. But we must not forget about defense, he wants to add 2 trillion to defense, and was more likely to get us into war with Iran.

 

And yet there is little to do to repel the assault as you see it... yes?

You presume absolution from the term on principal... all I ask is that you dispel it. Should not be a hard ask... of any religion or cult that has an answer for its adherence to zombiism... I mean... unless someone has a legitimate request for a distinction. I will wait on that.

I honestly don't know what you are talking about?

It is your position that I commented on this thread, NOT TO YOU mind you, that you would reply to my comment to another so that I might mock you? Seriously that is your question?

It is precisely the point... you would have to defend your belief with what I know to be your logical mind. That is why it is abhorrent.

Clearly I am a bad person for having the audacity to give my unbiased perspective... despite no argument to the contrary. Calling a spade a spade sometimes hurts peoples feelings. People are entirely too hung up on feelings. I am a developer. I work in a canvas of code. You can call what I do pointless, and it will not offend me, because you are probably right. What I do is pointless in the grander scheme of things... but... I don't ask you to believe in my things. I make them. They work or they do not, and you buy them as a consequence. I never ask you to have faith in what I know.

Odd you find one defending a troll more noble than speaking what you believe to be truth.

I wish it were (*)(*)(*)(*)ing odd.

 

With two of the biggest turds in History......

.....Gary Johnson couldnt even pull 1%.....and a grand total of ZERO Libertarians won elected office nationwide.

If we dont work together......your party will never amount to anything above ass pimple.
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It kills me how conservitive Republicans think they are.


They do not reduce spending ... cutting $2 dollars in domestic spending while increasing foreign by $10 is not reducing spending.....
They do not adhere to the constitution
They do not protect civil liberties.

The Republican Party gave me no Reason to vote for their ticket. They are NOT conservitive.

Reduce spending
Reduce taxes
Adhere to the constition
protect civil liberties



Right now the libertarian party best represents this. Not republicans.

 

What? What assault?

Absolution is the wrong word. I think that the word was meant to be inflammatory. Moreover, zombies aren't necessarily dead, some have the rage virus, etc so its not even a good term. You might as well call him a vampire, especially with the transmission of blood and whatnot, but...go ahead with the wrong analogy and attempt to flame Catholics.

You don't? You think people like the term "zombie Jesus"???? It is only said to make people angry, just like when Smilin' Jack persists with "negroid this and negroid that".

Nope, not even sure where you got that. You said "zombie Jesus". This is directed at more than just Blackrook.

I don't really have to defend it--I hope. I am just saying that I don't go around making fun of Muhammad, Buddha, etc because I think its just not nice.

Didn't call you a bad person. I didn't say anything of the sort. Merely pointed out something I felt was rather lacking in kindness.

 

No, because it's still essentially voting the Democratic ticket which is something I don't believe in. You're just wrapping bacon around a turd, Badmutha. There are some things that even bacon won't disguise the taste of.

 

They are only a stone's throw apart if you load that stone in a cannon and shoot it from Canada to China - the LONG way around.

Republican philosophy worships top-down solutions. Libertarian philosophy destroys top-down solutions and replaces them with bottom-top solutions. Barr, Johnson, and Paul were Republicans only because the stone's throw difference between libertarianism and Democratic philosophy is greater than the difference between them and the GOP.

 

The assault you are feigning offense at... I presumed. Why am I defending myself if you do not believe my beliefs are an assault?

Zombies ARE necessarily dead. Even the 28 xxx of which I am very fond... there is no cure... once they are overtaken, they are dead... they have no humanity anymore... it is an animation of dead tissue by that which kills it. Zombies are ALWAYS dead. Vampires are considered the undead, but, to be fair, they only revisit life once they engage themselves in vampirism. Zombies is a more appropriate term.
I assume you have READ Revelation...

No... I have a LOT in reservoir to make Catholics angry. You have yet to wage an argument that anything I have said is in the SLIGHTEST untrue... you object only to its utterance. I can live with that.

I am only referencing the bible. If you got an issue with that, it ain't with me.

You have the luxury in this country of not having to be bombarded by it... by your laws made of sharia... by harming a living creature bearing punishment... I bet that feels awesome.

I don't believe you believe I am a bad person. You are a rational person. You simply aren't willing to apply reason to this circumstance. That's your gig... you get to be stubborn. I do not hold any ill will against you for your beliefs. Oddly your doctrine speaks particularly harshly about mine. As does the Qur'an. I am Mushrikeen. All of those terrible quotes about killing don't actually apply to you by reasonable interpretation. They apply to me. Save me your understanding in this regard.

 

Rand Paul endorsed Romney - and even now is starting his campaign in Iowa - so that he can have a real chance at fooling the party leadership and winning the nomination.

It's called strategy.

 

The Republican party didn't even exist until 1854. You know what they were?

They were a third party.

What happened seven years later?

The first Republican President got elected.

History teaches us some very interesting things. The GOP and the Democratic Party will not last forever, and when one falls the Libertarian Party (or the Green Party, depending on which one falls) will take its place.

 

You're not exactly defending yourself, you're defending why you don't think you should have to defend yourself.

Zombie are not dead. They are just people given puffer fish poison, shoved in the ground, and then brought back with brain damage.

Just sayin.

And vampires are still vampires before they drink blood.

What have you said that is true?

I'm not sure Jesus was craving brains after the resurrection.

Ummm

What are you asking me for? I'm now confused.

 

Let me turn this on it's ear.

What about Christianity leads you to believe it does not involve zombi-ism?

Should I say I was offended if you asked me what about republican politics does not involve a Christian agenda because I am not Christian?

Should I cower from any question about any belief I hold, no matter how misinterpreted? Should you?

(*)(*)(*)(*) feigning offense. Do I have to pretend there are spirits and demons controlling us to be on your side madam? Can not I recognize the signs of a slow hostile takeover of individualism rooted in the much more easily controlled collectivist mindset without having to eat of the King zombie?

King of kings right?

Know your enemy. You do not want it of me zombiist.

 

Well, for one we're not out there eating brains, nor did we catch a virus, nor are our bodies decaying, nor are we able to still walk around without muscle tissue (my biggest beef with the movies), nor are we super strong with decaying muscle tissue and flesh (beef again)...

 

Zombieist. Though it's not actually a word, if it was, that would be the correct spelling.

A question, Ctrl. Can you ctrl your opposition to Zos' beliefs? Or at the very least alt to a more reasonable attitude toward your opposition? If not, I suspect any desire to listen to you and seriously consider joining you in your opposition will meet with a "delete."

 

I think The Walking Dead has handled it quite well. They aren't particularly strong, like at all.

 

Well, they're pretty strong in Sean of the Dead and Resident Evil. OH and, of course, The Evil Dead <=greatest of them all.

 

Your body is decaying since birth... Jesus was dead, revelation is in contrast with your LACK of suspension of disbelief with Hollywood. Call me names if I find that a tad hypocritical.

 

You are correct linguistically. I concede that. I can't imagine what I was thinking.

You are going to have to give more background on Zo. You are free to "delete" me for not believing God wants us to eat his flesh and drink his blood because it is creepy as (*)(*)(*)(*). I will somehow manage the personal assault.

Would be awesome though if someone waged an argument refuting the claims for which I am liable, by presenting an accurate interpretation in contrast to my understanding, rather than simply labeling it as... whatever you choose to label it rather than address...

 

The definition of zombi.

Christian doctrine involves substance dualism, where the living soul is distinct from the body. A resurrected body is different from an animated corps in that its operator is a mind.
There is one doctrine that could be said to be held by some Christians where the soul is not distinct from the body in the same sense in which the substance duelists believe that it is. On this doctrine, when life departs from the body the soul cannot be said to have any location except, perhaps in the mind of God. The soul is not conscious after death. After the resurrection of the body the same life, or soul that was before death is returned to the resurrected, or new body (depending on the doctrine held by the Christian we're talking about).

In all cases the resurrected or new body is possessed by a conscious, rational mind, unlike a zombi, which is an animated corps.

By the way, you seem to not understand the meaning of "objective". The word has no place in the context in which you have been using it. You have no hope of ever examining or evaluating anything objectively. That is not possible. I understand that you're playing fast and lose with the definition of it, but get real, you're pretending to objectively define weird. And that's just weird.

 

I haven't seen any of those. I kinda stopped watching zombie stuff until The Walking Dead came and gave me hope in the genre.

 

Mostly I just wanted to make a Ctrl+Alt+Delete joke, but you're right, I did pull that off perfectly linguistically

I haven't really discussed religion with her, though I'd like to, but you're completely missing the point about the whole communion thing, and I spent twelve years of my life raised in Christianity and am surrounded by Christians in my daily life, so I'm qualified to correct you.

Only Catholics (rather creepily) believe that you are literally consuming the flesh and blood of Christ when you take communion, IIRC. Most of the rest of the mainstream denominations just believe that the bread and wine (or grape juice) symbolize his blood and body. And by "symbolize his blood and body," they don't ACTUALLY mean his literal blood and body, they mean what his blood and body symbolize - the purification of the soul and the healing of the body.

Ironically, that was all said right there in the Bible, which you claim to take your perception directly from.

 

but they are not big government corporatists like Romney.

 

If you haven't noticed, the big government corporatist Romney got his ass handed to him by an incumbent presiding over 7.9% unemployment, soaring energy and food costs, a miserable economy and unending trillion dollar deficits. Oh yeah, almost forgot, he got his ass handed to him four years ago by that ass clown McCain too.

 

Jerry Rice used to catch touchdowns. So what ?
Who just lost to a loser incumbent ?