Who should not own a gun?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Bowerbird, Nov 3, 2012.

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Who should not own a gun

  1. everyone has a right to own a gun

    8 vote(s)
    13.8%
  2. people with a serious mental illness

    38 vote(s)
    65.5%
  3. those with criminal history

    31 vote(s)
    53.4%
  4. Elderly with early dementia

    19 vote(s)
    32.8%
  5. Physical disability i.e. poor eyesight, severe tremor

    10 vote(s)
    17.2%
  6. Children under 17

    24 vote(s)
    41.4%
  7. Other

    21 vote(s)
    36.2%
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  1. stjames1_53

    stjames1_53 Banned

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    Firearms are serious business for responsible owners. You are obviously a non-experienced person as well
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    It only takes one to want to kill. How 'bout we have a lottery to see which criminal gets to break into the next house or decides to pull a gun out in a restaraunt.
    And tell us why your thoughts about America should be of concern to us..............
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    I've said before, stay there, then you won't have to be skeert of the bogeyman.
    100,000,000 people say you should stay there.
     
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    taikoo Banned

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    One gun in my hands=no rape.
     
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    True enough. But "right" or wrong, the second amendment was not about hunting or target shooting. The first is not about what you whisper in private. Your opinion on whether the constitution is "right", that is http://www.bit-101.com/blog/wp-cont...you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.jpg :D

    My mom was an English professor, I know a simile when I see one.
    Referring to people as "John Waynes" is name calling.

    True. But then, I dont have paranoid thoughts. I have issues, but that isnt one of them. I have some lingering emotional issues because someone did in fact try to kill me. Im lucky to be alive.

    It was a rude way to find out how vulnerable I am. There is nothing "John Wayne" about me. I simply want to have the means to defend myself in gravest extreme, unlikely as it is to ever happen again. My emphasis is no avoiding and preventing, of course.

    You havent walked in my shoes, I dont believe I'd wish that on anyone. You in turn, dont please presume to know my purpose or need for a weapon, let alone diagnosing me as some trigger happy movie actor or mental defective. 'k?
     
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    I forgot...
    two ad homs.............
    condesending and straw man
     
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    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Only if it stays in your hands and does not end in the hands of the criminal
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Amongst bandits people carry guns, poor dabs. As in all areas, you kill like mad to enrich a few profiteers, in this case the merchants of death who sell kids popguns because they haven't guts to do without, and can only grovel or murder. Men, in most places, stand up like men and fight, often shaking hands after. You can't shake hands with someone you've murdered.
     
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    ad hom .............stating the obvious does lttle for your argument
     
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    ho hum...........boring. We''ve heard this insane rhetoric for along time.
    Ad hom.............overstating facts.
    Ad him..............strawman
    You assume, again. killing in self-defense is not murder, legally or lawfully
     
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    Only if. Good grief.


    Are you just unwilling to admit that there are situations in which a gun is appropriate and necessary?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    Apparently this equation is false because even as gun ownership has increased to historic levels violent crimes have been going down since the 1990's.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...wn-part-2-commentary-by-jeffrey-goldberg.html

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2961080/posts

    Roughly 20 years of increased gun ownership while crime statistics have been steadily declining really shows the liberal belief that gun ownership creates or equates to crime is a myth.
     
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    Thank you
     
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    Aside from you rather over the top comments in bold you sort of have about half a point.

    I agree that men should be men and settle their differences mano a, with fists if they cant manage to do with words.

    Since I cant be a man, nor fight one with fists, and shaking hands after a rape is not in the cards none of your ideas apply to me.

    if you wish to discuss the manly arts with men, fine; if you see no problem with me having access to a gun for self defense we have no issue.
     
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    You'd be utilising the standard spurious conclusion error. The 'more guns=more crime' hypothesis requires the isolation of gun effects, by definition
     
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    Everyone knows gun control will civilize criminals. It is common knowledge. Your hypothesis is soundly reputed by my superior anti-gun logic.
     
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    Failure to normalize your psi function with a proper sample size and proper boundry conditions trumps your conjecture.
     
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    Oh! Wow!

    A rebuttal based on "everyone knows" and "common knowledge"

    Great academic standard there
     
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    You live in a madhouse, kid. Ask them to let you out and see the world.
     
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    Sorry Shiva - will have to get back to you later today if able

    But please this is only held as a truism in America - and most of that is thanks to John Lott and his dancing statistics backed of course by the NRA and the armaments industry

    These studies only address homicide - will come back with more later
    http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
     
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    Well, certainly the whole rape thing needs serious looking at, but rapists can carry guns too, you know. I think that the problem is that very many women are conditioned against violence, by and large, and murdering people is more difficult for them than it is for drunken yobs. I think training in unarmed combat would be more profitable, honestly. When one of my daughters had this difficulty a quick boot to the testicles settled it: you need to know where to kick, and practice how. I see the problem, which is just as real here, where we murder incredibly fewer people, but it isn't easilly answered by killing people, I think, if that isn't really your bag.
     
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    sounds like you speak from experience. Have you ever been raped and beaten by three men twice your size? .....and criminals now become victims. Ain't that sweet...............
     
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    wow, read the first bunch of posts on this and thought, "finally, it's not just a contest of who can use the most clever insults and who can ignore facts but an actual, intelligent conversation." then that racist guy came in and it was all downhill from there.
    but pertaining to the question, though i'm liberal on most issues, i generally approve of guns. i don't like violent felons having the rights, but i think ones that have non-violent crimes (most likely drug sales and the such) then they could simply have some gun-parole. i don't really like fully automatic guns, but with the right paperwork i'm not opposed to ownership. and the mentally ill, same as with the felons, only the violent ones.
     

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