Would you support torture in certain situations in prison

I think your views are evil... can we torture you?

 

already answered this in a previous post as well

theyres a difference between views and actions....

 

How so? How are some actions evil and not others? What exactly is evil anyways?

"morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life." - from dictionary.com

Law is not about morals, it's about maintaining Order. What Order do you maintain by torturing people? to detur future criminals? Do you really believe that draconian punishments ever worked? They've been tried, people still break the laws. So what justification do you get out of torturing people? Other than to satisfy your own sadistic desires?

I mean, if you are for sadism, just say so..

 

i think you are the one whos a sadist to be saying that either all actions are evil or none are.... seriously drop the libertarian generalization bullcrap. doesnt make ANY dang sense...

 

It makes more sense than you preaching Statist despotism.

 

how does it make any sense at all? lol you are saying someone who rapes and murders 5 little children is equal to someone who got a speeding ticket

your saying a murderer/rapist isnt evil? seriously what is going on in your brain that makes you come up with these delusions

 

Yeah, one person is equal to another, no matter of the actions they have done. The factor in legal matters is the harm their actions have put on the Order of society and is the basis of the justification of incarceration.

Even draconian laws had more justification than an argument for torturing criminals. At least chopping off the hands of a thief would absolve them of their crime as they could not pose a continued threat to society in the same manner anymore. But there is a reason why draconian law has a negative connotation... It's harshness is characterized as cruel punishment.

 

i'm sorry.... i wont stoop to the level of saying you are equal to a murderer and rapist. thats just an insult to you.

you insult all law abiding citizens in the name of protecting rapists and murderers. pat yourself on the back.

 

Not necessarily... What differs a murderer from a non-murderer is a code of conduct in one that does not allow for one to take another's life. In any other way, they are equal.

 

So a teen who has never done anything wrong but is talked into taking some "wacky weed" which causes him to have a psychotic break and be a mass murderer - he is "pure evil"?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20305080

So, instead of "evil" we have bad mad or sad or all three

And it still does not really answer - what would be gained by this

 

1. that never happens
2. yes

mad/sad/bad are all evil if the result is mass shootings

i have answered this many times in this thread.

1. equal justice
2. deterents

 

I am saying that one person's rape in another person's false allegation - besides what "torture" are you going to apply?

 

don't let Gwen hear you say that... she'll go ballistic =P

 

not sure exactly... let the government descide

 

The government is an instrument of the people... so the people decide.

 

Sounds like you want the U.S. to start emulating North Korea. Who would do the torturing? Only a depraved lunatic could be capable of handling a job like that. So we're going to hire some sick (*)(*)(*)(*)ers to torture some other sick (*)(*)(*)(*)ers?

 

It really sounds like vengeance more than anything, vengeance without any purpose.

 

The eighth amendment to the United States Constitution.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Yes folks, it is right there, right in the document which makes this country great, no cruel and unusual punishments.

The intentional infliction of pain over and above simply being isolated from society strikes me as a somewhat sadistic fantasy that is shared with some of the greatest despots in the world. When you become the very thing you rail against you lose all moral superiority.

 

Mental illness is way different from evil. I would support torturing Republican pundits into telling the truth.

 

i dont believe in dumb excuses

 

you don't believe in dumb excuses or that dumb excuses?

 

i dont believe people should get out of punishment of their crime because of mental illness. because to kill an innocent person you obviously have a mental illness

 

punishment is subjective... Institutionalization is the prime punishment choice for our society. Institutionalization for criminals is in prison, Institutionalization for the Mentally ill is in a psychiatric ward.

if somebody is mentally ill, obviously they should get treatment... preferably before they do something drastic. But one who lacks the capacity to make rational decisions should not be held accountable in the same way that the typical criminal would be... however they are still a danger to Order, so society demands that they be remanded to custody of the state.

 

Of course not.

It is from the minds of the sick, and only the mentally sick would engage in it.

And it is entirely unreliable.

It is your state making such things acceptable, which acts as a cancer in the minds of the many.

 

How about rape and sodomy? http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-rules-cia-tortured-sodomized-german-man.html

No?

Hmm..I know..how about rape and sexual abuse of kids? http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2010/09/13/israeli-soldiers-sexually-abuse-palestinian-children/


Not yet satisfied? I know, how about electrocuting them?

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress....-children-by-electric-shocking-sabbah-report/

There.

Has anyone got an erection by now?