Why do Americans like guns so much?

I disagreed with the point. I appreciate what the oath is for. I also appreciate the fact that military basic training is about breaking the civilian down and putting in place a military person. Paramount is the requirement to follow orders. Now, to the objection - quite reasonable - that orders must be lawful and reasonable, I say, how would an ordinary soldier know? I suggest that most, if not all, ordinary soldiers ("soldier" here being used to include all non-commissioned officers and ordinary ranks of the various US military) would obey their orders when they were delivered by officers who required obedience.

Let's say that a president did order the military to confiscate weapons. Is it prima facie unconstitutional? If so then I would imagine that it would be the task of the US Sup Ct to declare it so.
Would the US Sup Ct also take into account the context of such an order?

As you indicate it probably isn't going to happen, in which case all this is purely hypothetical and possibly out of a the fevered imagination of the more extreme NRA members who awake at night in a cold sweat fearing that Obama is coming after their guns.

Bottom line, don't bank on the military bucking what could be reasonable and lawful orders. The Constitution, which is to the say the US as a nation, is more likely to face a threat from right wing extremists than its first black president.

 

Citation? As I said research proves that self defence by guns is rare, so there have to be a LOT of people out there managing to defend themselves without guns
http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198606123142406

 

Epic fail to defend argument

 

Wanna bet? I'm 6' 2" in the old money and not badly built. I was a copper for forty years. In my first two years of service I nearly got stabbed in the guts during a domestic by a slightly built grandmother who reached into the kitchen cabinet drawer and pulled a knife one me when I was about to arrest her grandson for domestic assault. I was able to get it from her but only by using a lot of force on her, very quickly. I didn't lock her up, no point in it. Call me a coward but someone almost crapped in my pants when that knife came flying towards my guts.

 

How so? A well regulated militia is specifically enumerated as necessary to the security and presumably, the domestic tranquility of our several and free States.

 

While America was sorting out its moral problems with slavery and releasing Blacks from oppression the UK was doing what? Nothing less than white Brits rioting over recruitment of blacks for labor. It then passed the 1962 Commonwealth Immigrants Act which granted power to exclude certain blacks from entering the country and include other blacks. Then in 1968 you guys decided to just exclude all blacks. Yours is a history of racial divide and hatred.

 

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The case is factual. I asked you how you think she would have faired without a gun? Are you incapable of responding to this one case? Do you think you have the right to tell this mother she doesnt have the right to protect her children if this were to happen again? You libs almost seem angry she saved her children. You are angry because it worked.

 

How so? A woman protects herself and her two young children with a gun, you are angry she didnt use a baseball bat or use martial arts. Epic Fail.

 

A well regulated militia is specifically enumerated as necessary to the security and presumably, the domestic tranquility of our several and free States.

How is wanting to be moral and legal to our own laws, any form of anger?

Here is the question I was responding, to; sorry you didn't like it, even if it may involve some truth (value).

It may have depended on how good she may be with a baseball bat, knives, or even, martial arts.

 

Common sense dictates if thats true there wouldnt be any murders. You ever think there would less murders if more people in say Chicago had guns to defend themselves against the criminals who had guns illegally? Im sure you know guns a strictly regulated in Chicago yet the murder rate there was higher than the U.S. Troop loss in Afghanistan. So is the problem guns or the carreer criminals you liberal leftists keep letting out of jail to "re-habiliate".

 

How did you reach your "common sense" conclusion? It is like saying no military should ever suffer defeat in armed conflict.

 

I get exactly what you said. Its still an Epic Fail. Somewhere our there right now a mother is reading your words and applying for a gun permit. Please post more comments like this so I can show people how crazy anti gun people are.

 

Ok. I will try to fix a Standard for the fewest fallacies for my Cause, as a moral and ethic.

 

hm, Interesting. Was it a surprise attack or was it an upfront threat?

 

Heres how:
Fact people are murdered yes? Yes. They obvioulsy did not successfully defend themselves. Yes? Yes.
Secondly there are numerous cases of this. I even gave you one from just a few days ago. You both then are mad the intruder used a crowbar and not a gun. Then you are mad the mother used a gun and not as you said "martial arts"
You just wont see MSNBC reporting them because just like you it proves the anti gun argument false. However it happens every day no matter how much it bothers you.

 

Are you also claiming militaries can't defend themselves and therefore "lose" battles?

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Thank you for recognizing those tactics of gun lovers without a Cause, but who may have a profit motive.

 

Not sure what this BS statement is supposed to be illustrating. Everyone with a half a brain knows that most burglaries occur during the day when thieves expect homeowners to be away. Only a minority of thieves are stupid enough not to care if a home owner is home. I guess that's why they were easy to interview in prison.

 

Burglaries happens 24/7, regardless of what time of the day it is. If anything, more burglaries aren't commit during the day because the crime is clearly visable. A reason why communities have neighborhood watches.

Anyone with half a brain knows that much.

What makes you think no one will be home even during the day? They're already break and entering is clearly not going to care if anyone is home. Common sense.

 

Nothing I said contradicts that. And I congratulate you on making one totally factually correct statement.

Holy Schit! You will argue about anything!

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/security/discourage-break-ins.htm

http://www.asecurelife.com/burglary-statistics

I am no longer surprised by your lack of common knowledge. I am now bracing myself for whatever goalpost moving and spin you are going to use to try and explain away your ludicrous statements.

 

No need for congratulations. Pretty soon, you're going to need to apologize.

Comes with the territory of knowing what you are talking about.

I don't need to. I just need to ask why don't I see FBI statistics.

 

Because as usual you only see what you want to see. The FBI statistics are posted on their website and are easy for anyone to find. Is the FBI website blocked where you are?

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_23.html

Now get going with your goalpost moving and spin. We know your routine. Oh, don't forget the insults. Must always have insults.

 

no I cant. that is nothing to do with freedom, only in your warped mind. can you trust the freedom of the press in your country ? I can in mine, you cant, can you trust the integrity of your elections and political process ? I can, you cant, bush stole the election in 2000 using levels of corruption (in his brothers state) not possible in my country. what about if you get ill ? I'm guaranteed to be given fantastic treatment free of charge according to what I need for my entire life. so you enjoy your semi automatic.

the criminals here dont have guns, and we have things like locks and cctv and police and non lethal weapons. I shudder to think what it must be like where you live.

 

Nope. I didn't bother reading those sources at all.

I didn't know residential burglaries were the only type of burglaries. According to your source, it doesn't think so either.

I don't need a routine. When your debating skills are as bad as yours, you set yourself up for these things.

 

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. thats all I see.

 

I know you didn't read the FBI statistics. Anyone that did would know when homes are broken into the most and it is not at night.

I didn't realize home invasions meant knocking over a liquor store. Do you have any FBI sources that say that?

Here are your own words goalpost mover...

I know your routine cold, goalposts.

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