Hey libs, why this fight on guns, not banking, HC, things that matter?

Real simple question here:

Does it not bother any of you liberals, that Obama has already fought ten times harder for gun control then he has to prevent the next global financial crisis, fight for a single payer HC system, end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, address our emerging national debt crisis?

Does it not bother you at all that this probably effects your life in no meaningful way tomorrow, and yet this is where he draws a line in the sand, and acts like he has a pair, but not with the banks, and not with big pharma in the HC debate, not to end the racist war on drugs because he is an uncle Tom, not with anything that will actually improve the quality of life for Americans?

 

its a false premise and I dont really care.

 

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It bothers me a lot.

 

Media hype is not political action. Obama plays his part to promote his own image. Most of the things you mention him not doing are things that have been addressed repeatedly (though not solved) and because so the media has lost attention. Gun control is the hot issue now, and thats all it is.

Personally the gun control debate bores me.

 

How can media hype not be political action when we all know that the MSM news outlets are RNC, and DNC mouthpieces?


EDIT: Also, why should anyone listen to someone, who by your own description has nothing but self interest?

 

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What disgruntles me and I am not a liberal is that operation "Fast and Furious" was tucked away and Eric Holder was given a pass.

Anything Obama and his minions want, just issue an "executive order" and walla, the Messiah is redeemed.

Gun control is not the problem. It's the nut cases that get ahold of them.

 

We have very little knowledge of what actually happens behind the closed doors of political life so to suggest politician X spends more time on one issue over another can only be from a half informed perspective.

Anyhow, Obama hasn't actually done anything about gun control yet so there's plenty of time for that, too, to become watered down to the insipid trickle that almost every issue undergoes in all political arenas worldwide.

Politics never solves much of anything for humanity. It operates on a 'that'll do for now' basis while going about the thing it really serves - to perpetuate itself.

 

Pretty good response. I liken this to the well known fact that a Democratic president could never end a war against the advice of the generals who are promised lobby jobs making millions by defense contractors when they retire.

The only problem is that less than 10% of the population understands this!

 

Simple! This is a PERSONAL more than a POLITICAL issue for President Obama. He has two daughters. He has a heart (I know . . .it's strange for a politician, but he is not a Republican, so it makes a little more sense!), and he has a social conscience. He also is Black, and it is obvious that THIS is an issue that is even more "deadly" for the Black community. . .because of the poverty issue.

And, in spite of the continuous bashing that the Right impose on the President, he is a leader, and this is a cause that needs a leader. He may not succeed in making a drastic change in the next two years. . .but if he can slow the trend of gun addiction, and if he can reduce the number of killing through the broad approach that his Vice President has brought to him, he will have SAVED LIVES.

Yes, economy is important. . .and because it is, it will ALWAYS be addressed! Anyway, on this issue, he has drawn a line in the sand. . . and now he waits for the Republicans to play their little games, to huff and puff, to blow some steam. . .and then they will move forward.

The war in Afghanistan? Didn't you hear the news even this week? The withdrawal will be speeded up and no troop (except a VERY small contingent, smaller than what is currently in ONE city in Italy) will remain in Afghanistan by mid 2014.

The single payer health care system? You sound quite intelligent. . .then why are you trying to play games? YOU KNOW that if he came back with that idea at this time, it would be impossible to accomplish. On the contrary, in a couple of years, maybe a few more years, I believe that we will have NO CHOICE but to bring back the "public option," which in some way is already going to be established next years, since so many states have decided not to open their own exchange system, but will let the government set up those exchanges . . .sometime all that is needed is TIME!

No. . .I think President Obama is doing VERY WELL! By the way, do you realize that the inauguration has not taken place yet? There are FOUR MORE YEARS to accomplish a LOT!

 

I don't know what to make of Fast and Furious scandal, and the same problem lies here as everywhere else in our government, there is no transparency.

The fact is that the version of fast and furious the Dems sell, and the Reps sell, are both probably pure propaganda!

 

Point taken.

Nothing but self interest is not what I said, but in this case I suspect it is mostly an attempt to define himself as a leader who cares. But really who would we listen to if we stopped listening to people with a strong sense of self importance? Gandhi is dead.

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Point taken.

Nothing but self interest is not what I said, but in this case I suspect it is mostly an attempt to define himself as a leader who cares. But really who would we listen to if we stopped listening to people with a strong sense of self importance? Gandhi is dead.

 

Stopped reading when you didn't blame the war on drugs(That Obama supports) as being the cause of most violent death's in the black community.

Since when does proving through a lack of action on the war on drugs that you are an Uncle Tom, mean you have a heart?

 

Simple. . .the war on drug is not giving any results.

And, although the Black community may SUFFER more from the drugs, it is the upper class WHITE professionals and the middle class housewives who are most addicted to "cadillac" type drugs (including prescription drugs. . .which are a HUGE issue, which could probably be addressed if doctors had a little more integrity and concern for their patients!)

Funny though that you focused on the ONE point I didn't address, while ignoring every bit of my comments.

That's okay. . .you're not interested in an EXCHANGE of ideas or opinions. . .fine with me, as I am not interested in a dogmatic and arrogant approach to any debate.

Enjoy your cozy little paradigm!

 

No, you said Obama is fighting for this because guns are the problem in black communities.

This is BS!

Drugs drive the violence in these black communities!

The starting point of your idea was flawed, therefor the rational that is based on the starting point is void.

 

HE has addressed the bank issue, he's made them bigger. Its rather obvious who runs the country, all western countries for that matter

Big Banks: Now Even Too Bigger to Fail



http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-04-19/big-banks-now-even-too-bigger-to-fail

 

I didn't say guns was THE problem in Black communities. I said it was a major problem ESPECIALLY in Black communities, due to poverty.

As an individual, I am not very plugged in to the "drug world," or interested in "drug war." Simply because I have never used any drugs, and I have been lucky enough to have no one in my family face that problem.

But I believe that POVERTY drives people to escape by any means they can. . .and unfortunately it is too often through drugs. And, obviously drugs worked in too ways as an escape from poverty: through escaping the sad reality of hopeless poverty and no future, but also through attempting to escape poverty by dealing in drugs. . . which may either lead to being killed, jail, or. . .getting out of poverty (at least for awhile. . .until one of the two other conclusions take over).

In anyway. . .POVERTY is the greatest cause of both drug use and drug dealing in Black communities, and YES it leads to violence.

Now. . .what is the excuse for using drugs among the "elite" class?

 

Ok, that is all well and good.

Lets try this a different way, why is it this issue, and four years into office, that Obama finally found something he is willing to fight for?

 

Buy a newspaper sometime. You will be fascinated.

 

Follow the money!

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Uh-huh, and how many private contractors are still spilling American gold over there?

Do you know when we are really supposed to leave Afganistan?

2024

 

You do realize that you guys were the ones which made banks to big to fail, correct?

 

I am not a Republican or Democrat, I am a revolutionary.

My party platform is that the system is so corrupted, the only way forward is to burn it to the ground and start over!

See unlike your modern conservative, I do believe in government and regulation, just not in corrupt government and regulation!

BTW, Clinton did more to create the GFC then perhaps anyone but Greenspan and Summers!

 

Never accused you of being either. Just saying that these banks didn't become to big to fail on their own. That happened the moment they were bailed out.

Sounds like a silly Zeitgeist movement platform to me.

That's no different from modern conservatives. They only trust the government which has their guy in charge.

 

yes, you did when you said "you guys".

Sounds like a labeling attempt by you!

 

When I said 'you guys' I was referring to the country collectively. As I don't believe anyone would have actually had the courage to actually let these institutions fail. That would have meant a severe lost in jobs, a very painful recession and tons of companies going bankrupt.

I would have let all of this actually happen and still would have been able to eat breakfast the next morning.

I'm not labeling anyone. It just sounds like a platform the Zeitgeist movement. You shouldn't be considered at all if you are not one of them.

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I don't see how this applies to me. I'm not a conservative or even a modern conservative. All I care about is making money.