Explosion at US Embassy in Ankara

Sure there's a difference. But your fellows refuse to recognize that difference, which, to your way of thinking I guess, means there is no difference. Kind of like selective blindness leads to a choose your own version of reality.

But, there IS a difference. One which your side has yet to learn.

This just occurred to me. If you are so easily able to create your own truths and pretend it is reality, why not pretend that everything is peaceful and the Zionists don't exist.

That way you can continue making up fantasies and no one will get upset.

 

I'm not convinced you know what morals are so I'll try another approach.

The US drones are under the US administration, an administration which is accountable to the US people. The targets of the drones on the other hand are self-appointed and hold themselves only accountable, very conveniently, to the God of their belief after death.

 

Lot's of terrorists in Turkey. Some want their freedom like the Kurds, and others just hate non Muslims...like when my Patriarchate was attacked. In cases like that, the police just look away. Lately there has been some killings of elderly Armenian women...but the police say it is not a hate crime, just a robberies even though the women are poor. I bet they will never find the killers...

 

Are you another of those whobelieve everything youi've read in the bible + cherry pick - whichever translatin/version to suit your argument ) ?
N.B. The bible is far from being a reliable source + like many other scriptures is loaded with CONTRADICTIONS. - and imo - best not putb forward to support your POLITCAL argument may be .

tata.....

 

The main difference is in bias.. Actions of the bad guys will be viewed in a negative light, and a different light for the good guys, even if the action is the same.

Terrorists bomb civilians, and then they have a secondary bomb there, to explode when the first responders get there.

US drone strikes do the same thing, with a follow up "double tap" strike on the same location.

Oftentimes funerals are targetted, because they know that close associates to the deceased may be gathered there, so they attack those as well.

If a few Muslims have beheaded people ALL Muslims are beheaders.. ALL Gitmo inmates are beheaders, etc.. US troops have tortured innocent prisoners to death. So have the CIA.. But if you accuse either organization, you just get the "few bad apples" excuse. They never realize that Muslim extremists are a few bad apples and don't represent the main proportion of them. The vast majority of US troops are brave honorable fighters. But you've got enough bad apples you could paint them as a generalization, just like people do for Muslims.

9/11 was justified according to some terrorists because the Twin Towers and Pentagon were fueling the American war machine, supporting it with taxes etc. They wanted to scare America into submission and withdrawal of military assets in the ME.

But the rationale for the atomic bombs on Japan was exactly the same. They were attacking their population center, who were fueling the Japanese war machine, and therefore these workers were fair game.

So the terrorists are only like 60 years behind in that regard.

However, attacking civilians is NEVER justified.. Some people kill civilians on purpose. Like the soldiers who did this in Iraq. And like the Muslim terrorists who blow up innocents in markets etc. Also the drone strikes.

These are ALL bad. People need to stop killing innocents. While I openly condemn Obama and the Pentagon for being war criminals, I will NOT reserve my judgement from the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) Islamic terrorists who murder rape and kidnap.

I just look at the situation objectively, and realize there's atrocities from BOTH sides. The justifications of both sides are pretty much exactly the same, save the fact the Muslim terrorists use a very religious undertone.

Who's worse? Adding together ALL war crimes I would say the USA does more than any given terrorist organizations, but all the Muslim terrorists on the whole I believe outweigh the US in the atrocities department.

But that's not a problem that can be solved by using even more violence and proliferating even more weapons.

 

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Aha! So its revenge for his father's death. That figures! But the guards didn't do it? You do know that the names of the soldiers who killed Bin Laden will never be revealed. I heard that if someone kills a Muslim, the revenge will go on for generation to generation.

 

No, in fact, I seldom revert to the Bible when discussing Israel/Palestinian issues because the Bible trumps anything and everything asserted by Muslims concerning Zionism.

The Bible pre-dates the birth of Mohammad by many, many years.

The Biblical references to God, the Jews and the land were all written before Islam was even thought of.

So, someone needs to convince me that the entire Islamic claim to Israel isn't just like someone going to the head of the line with the excuse, "this is my place in line."

 

Enough of the religious BS. The freaking Jihadists believe they're following some holy law. Secular people - people who in fact "are governed by man's laws" - aren't out killing others like this. This self-destructive violence is what religious mind-control will get you. It worked in imperial Japan (kamikaze) and it's working now for jihadists.

 

The bible in no way justifies Zionism.

 

Everyone needs to face this reality:

Islam instructs all Muslims to perform Jihad to help make Islam the world's dominant religion/political system/set of laws. The obedient follow those instructions. Those who do not follow the instructions are considered 'moderate Muslims' by us.

But there is no doubt that it is Islam itself which motivates Jihadists to do what they do and the things they do provoke responses from those the Jihadists do it to.

No one is selectively persecuting Muslims who aren't involved in Jihad.

 

Well, that convinced me.

Not.

 

Why should it do so? It's a collection of ancient religious writings by people who felt entitled to a hunk of desert that they themselves, if you believe those texts, conquered in ancient military campaigns.

So, what part of this justifies Zionism over Palestinian claims?

 

I'm not muslim , but I know you're wrong. Go learn and find out what Islam is really about.

sorry , but I've been over this + come across people like you , with limited knowledge of Islam , too many times, I'm sorry to admit that I'm too fekking tired/bored to keep repeating myself, to plonkers.

GO LEARN also learn the true meaning of JIHAD start here
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

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Does the Land of Israel Belong to the Jewish People?

*Sixteen Biblical Facts you Can't Ignore*

Read the entire presentation of which I already posted 16 of the contained facts to see that Zionism is supported by the Bible.

http://www.messianicassociation.org/a-lj-zionism.htm

 

The terrorists are attacking USA's over-seas embassies because the TSA isn't blocking their access to those countries (doesn't have jurisdiction) and we can't protect them properly -- The embassies are little more than tiny cellphone store-like, mini-buildings on main street with a guard at the door.

The terrorists kill outsiders and they kill their own people. The only difference between terrorists is whether they attack the USA or not. But, we don't care or consider a country to be a hot spot until their terrorists start to kill or target the USA and its citizens.

Turkey was simmering as a danger for at least 2-3 years now. There are also places across east-Asia and islands in the Pacific Ocean that are also simmering dangerous but they are currently being advertised in the USA as tourist destinations without a care for concerns of danger.

 

NO .

Why not , ? imo - its just a book of ancient stories.

according to TRue Torah Jews - Neturei Karta/JewsAgainstZionism - contary to what you've been led to believe - Zionism is nothing more than godless - ideology . Sweet f-all to do withn your bible , the bible which was hijacked by some crafty SOBs - to deceived Goyim - sorry to break it to you and shatter the crap you've been conned to believe.
I' d suggest you travel , go to Israel and find out what Zionist Jews really think of people like you. I presume you're not aJew , are you ?


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Not the 'bible'. Again.



We are concerned that the widespread misconception that all Jews support the Zionist state and its actions endangers Jews worldwide.

We are NOT politically motivated. We are motivated by our concern for the peace and safety of all people throughout the world including those living in the Zionist state. We support and pray for peace for the people of the Zionist state but have no interest in and do not support the Zionist government.(Huh?)

We seek to disassociate Jews and traditional Judaism from the Zionist ideology by:

1. Providing historical and supporting documentation that Zionism is totally contrary to the teachings of traditional Judaism through the words of our Rabbis, Sages, and Holy Scriptures which oppose the creation of a state called Israel.

2. Providing historical documentation on the ideology and creation of Zionism, the supporters of Zionism and the negative impact of their actions on the Jewish people in the past hundred years, including their involvement in the Holocaust and their activities up to the present day.

3. Publicizing the efforts of traditional Jews to demonstrate their opposition to Zionism, efforts which are often ignored by the mainstream media.

4. Convincing the news media, politicians and the public to cease referring to the State of Israel as the "Jewish State" but to call it what it is: the "Zionist State".

We also aim to reach out to our Jewish brethren who have never studied the subject of Zionism from a Torah perspective, and have only been taught the Zionist side of the story. It is our hope that all of our fellow Jews will soon open their eyes, return to Torah and reject this ideology that replaces the Jew's age-old hope for G-d's redemption with a false redemption and a human-initiated state.

http://www.truetorahjews.org/our_mission

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Marlowe, I have just had a thigh slapper of an idea.

Let's find some religion, not one of the main three, another one. Then let's dig us some confused and obscure prophecies, written by men with sunstroke, millenia ago. We can study it for six months. They we can 'show' that we are their PROPHETS, the Prophet Marlowe, and the Prophet Napier. Because they already begin from a mindset of wanting to believe something, we can soon win them over, Penn + Teller style, and live like Kings.

Thoughts?

 

That makes no sense, our America is sending F-16's and tanks to Egypt! Will they not murder people? But no, it's always Israel's fault.

The report now is one is dead, a guard.

 

I'm getting the impression you, sir, are a bigot. Aren't you?

 

LOL - hahaha - Laugh - Choke - Larf cough - ghugh -Ogh -

Stop it Jack - you've caused me to cough again.

Koff - Koff - koff

. its bed time + Visiting day tomorrow,

cheers.

 

Is it any surprise Englishmen have so few friends?