Income Tax is a Form of Slavery

A slave can own whatever his master allows him to own. A citizen can own whatever the government allows him to own.

Slaves could jump over a broom if they wanted to just like gays can live together if they want to. The bottom line is that someone else gets to decide who can and cannot get legally married.

I'm not even arguing that taxes are the equivalent of chattel slavery but there are definite similarities in that someone other than the individual gets to decide who he can marry legally and what property attained though his own labor he can keep. The kicker being of course that noncompliance results in violence in both cases.

My position is that taxes are theft and/or extortion, not slavery per se. The arguments above were simply showing how faulty your arguments were on the matter.

 

Slave:



Not a slave:



See the difference?

 

If there weren't actual human beings locked into cages right now for not paying their protection money...I mean taxes...then you might have a valid point.

 

A slave has no right to own anything.

Our Govt allows you to own lots of stuff.

See the difference?

Slaves can't do anything their owner forbids. Our govt allows you lots of freedom to do things you want.

See the difference?

There is a huge difference between being a slave and having to pay taxes.

This whole silly thread is about creating a false equivalency to put a nefarious label on taxes.

Your position is wrong. Taxes are not slavery. You haven't shown how my arguments are faulty at all.

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There are lots of people locked up fro committing a crimes. The fact that people are locked up for committing crimes doesn't make them slaves.

 

I think I have the hang of it now. Let me try:

Slave:



Not a slave:



amidoinitrite?

 

Interesting word, I had to look it up.

No, you are not right. The fact that a slave is allowed by his owner to wear nice clothes doesn't make him any less a slave. The fact that people are incarcerated for committing crimes doesn't make them the property of others or slaves.

 

Slavery:





Not slavery:



See the difference?

 

Oddly enough, the well dressed man pictured was incarcerated for committing the crime of running away from his master. Funny how that works, eh?

Here's another, this is fun. I definitely see the appeal.

Not a slave:

 

Assuming what you say is true, what is funny about it?

They are not the property of another. The fact that people are incarcerated for crimes is not slavery.

 

What's funny? How what constitutes a crime is so arbitrary and your argument in another time would be making excuses for fugitive slave laws and chattel slavery itself. Apparently we the people gave we the people the authority to own other human beings. That was the law at the time, just like getting locked into a cage for not paying the gov't protection money is the law now. Not really funny ha-ha, but funny as in your circular argument is absurd. If you can't come up with anything better than 'it is legitimate because the government says it is legitimate' then you've already lost this debate...unless you wanted to maintain that chattel slavery was perfectly valid?

They're not? So they chose to be chained to each other?

 

Slaves have to be property. They can be bought. They can be sold. Prisoners are not property, and still retain limited rights, such as property rights of assets outside the jail, and even a few inside. Slaves could be legally be beaten and whipped, prisoners cannot. Prisoners arrive at their situation through due process of law and conviction by a jury of peers based on evidence of personal conduct. Slaves arrive at their situation through no overt actions of their own, e.g. by capture or birth.

As far as income tax goes, don't work and you won't pay it. The government doesn't force anyone to work. Even if you take welfare and pay taxes on it, you're not paying taxes on your labor.

 

Do you own your property outright? I care little if you are in a mortgage..I am only curious if you outright own...

 

And your evidence is... what?

 

Actually slavery as practiced in the US was a particularly brutal form. Slavery existed before then and it did not always follow your criteria. However, like I said, I'm not actually arguing that taxes are slavery, I was simply highlighting how faulty Iriemon's argument was. I maintain that income taxes as implemented in the US amount to theft/extortion. The only argument I've seen to counter that is that it's okay when the government does it instead of the mafia. The justification for that then just goes around in a never ending circle.

Also, while prisoners in jail don't exactly match up to chattel slaves, they're condition certainly does fit the definition of involuntary servitude and indeed being imprisoned for not paying taxes can be classified as involuntary debt bondage. Either way there is no moral justification for locking humans into cages for not paying protection money.

 

Kent Hovind thought so too! I believe a 10x12 room for 23 hours a day kind of proves him wrong!

 

Huh?

Actually, that just buttresses steveo's statement that "We work for our money but are forced to give a portion to the state. Essentially, we are being forced to work for the state's benefit."

I think you may have forgotten what this conversation is about because using someone being locked into a cage for not paying money to the state as an example does not do any favors for your side of the argument.

 

Your attempt to personalize the argument is rejected. My personal matters have nothing to do with the issue.

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Your attempt to personalize the argument is rejected. My personal matters have nothing to do with the issue.

 

And Kent Hovind looked at taxes as being "forced" to do something he didn't think he had to do. The cell walls prove he is wrong!

 

Nonsense. How would my argument that taxes aren't slaves be different if there really were slaves, instead of billionaires you are calling slaves because of in infantile attempt to apply a nefarious label? It wouldn't be any different at all.

I know. It is so "absurd" of me to point out the differences between a real slave and folks like Warren Buffet who you call "slaves."

No and no.

You're saying incarcerating people for committing crimes is the same thing as slavery?

And you call *my* argument absurd?

What a joke.

 

So forced taxation through punishment is not slavery?... I'd say that makes it personal
......by the way, I do not own a big boat

 

LOL, now comes the turnaround. After arguing against my position that taxes are not slavery for how many pages, he now claims he has actually agreed with me all along. : )

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Of course not. Read the thread.

Of course.

So what.

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A lesson for the other tax nutters here. Ignorance -- or being mislead by fools in an internet forum -- is no excuse.

 

The fact that income taxes have been collected for a century and that power has been upheld by the Supreme Court multiple times.

 

Slavery? oh come on now

I guess all that infrastructure would be built be privates entities and thus then charging you to use

 

This just goes to show that you either don't pay attention or don't have an intellectually honest bone in your body. That wasn't the first time I stated my position in this thread.

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It proves that the government can take whatever they want and failure to comply means getting locked into a cage.

 

But that wasn't the point, now was it! The point was that you are saying that somewhere in the Constitution, power was granted government to lay a direct tax upon the inhabitants of the States, and you have failed — and miserably I might add — to point out this grant of power.