Neurosurgeon Schools Obama on Obamacare...

I think Obama expects the middle class family to give up one car so that your impoverished poor can have free healthcare.

Is it right to make one person support a total stranger?

 

its not one to one. Its insurance, and you support total strangers all the time. You pay taxes, you have car insurance, and house insurance, and health insurance and life insurance and disability insurance and business insurance. All of those premiums you pay are buying you protection by pooled liability. Strangers supporting strangers.

 

My neighbor does not get free home insurance given to him by the government while I have to pay more to cover the expense of him.

For all the Obama voters getting subsidies ObamaCare is just another form of socialist income redistribution.

 

In a transparent effort to justify relinquishing more and more control and confiscatory/redistributive authority to central planners...
you have, very predictably, removed all responsibility from the individual for their station in life.

Individual rights and liberty work both ways.....

one can chose a responsible path that facilitates their success....
or one can choose to abuse drugs, party at the clubs, run with gangs, chase skirts, drop out of high school because their three children take up too much of their time, live way outside their means, have irresponsible sex and conceive children they can't afford, destroy their credit trying to keep up with Jones', etc., etc., etc.....

Progressive leftists endeavor to make the latter comfortable in their choices...for votes...
while punishing and demeaning the former for theirs.

All of which you'll immediately dismiss or deny.

 

Besides paying a reasonable fee for being lucky enough to be living in an allegedly free country, I have ZERO obligation to anyone but those who live within my "tribe".....
and quite frankly, our various governments' "wisdom, compassion and benevolence".... that has seen to confiscating somewhere in the neighborhood of $500,000.00 over the course of my working life...

has done more to inspire utter CONTEMPT for the increasingly demanding and ungrateful "poor" (decision makers) and those who pretend to champion them (for votes)...
than inspire any compassion or charitable feelings towards them.....

I'll sum it up this way....."I gave at the office....now get the (*)(*)(*)(*) off my lawn"

 

You could CHOOSE to enlighten yourself... But, most likely, you prefer FEELING good about yourself:

Conservatives More Liberal Givers

 

The REAL problem is that healthcare providers and healthcare insurance companies now view their customer as the FEDERAL GOVT. Patients simply get in the way of the BUSINESS of healthcare. Get govt and employers out of healthcare and the problem is solved. IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE.

 

Well said.

But the closet Marxists in our society want government to control healthcare.

 

50 years of government meddling in the health care / health care insurance industries has created MASSIVE "pools" of money that folks simply feel entitled to.....HMOs and tiny copays inspire people to drag themselves and their children to the doctor for sniffles and minor scrapes and bruises, doctors / hospitals extract as much as humanly possible from the private insurance pools and medicare, and lawyers line up to get their piece of the action....all of this "pass the buck" BS has driven the costs of insurance premiums and medical care through the roof, and put incredible strain on government health care systems.

The IDENTICAL thing has been, and is happening in the "government backed" student loan business.....college and university administrators see a MASSIVE pile of money.... and little effort or accountability required to access it...and students are more than willing to take on debt to enroll in the myriad of easy and worthless, "liberal arts" and "elective" offerings that administrators simply invent from whole cloth to justify dipping their hands in the pool...

Obamacare is going to be a nightmare....

 

What insane nonsense!! Americans have and had the most expensive health care in the world. You cannot invent whatever facts you want, and pretend like they are accurate. You actually have to know things, and then base your opinions on those things you know. When you base your opinion on invented facts, it undermines any opinions you may have.

http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2013...thcare-the-most-expensive/UPI-69151359940687/

 

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

When central planning bureaucrats arrogantly make the determination that I "didn't build that" to peddle the emotionally extortive notion that it's justifiable to confiscate more and more of the fruits of my individual labor...and responsible choices.... for "the collective",
they are unequally and egregiously infringing on my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness....
they are, in effect, punishing me...

while unequally ENHANCING the lives, liberties and pursuits of happiness of those who choose to shirk even the most basic responsibilities for their own existence.

NO social construct can withstand such pandering to covetous greed, class warfare and victimhood for long.

 

Get BUSINESS(what is with the right and randomly and incoherently capitalizing entire words? Why does business need to be screamed?), out of health care, and the problem is solved. It really is that simple. Right now the problem with the system is that the system is driven by profit motives, and the system profits off the ill health of the American people. It is profitable for people to get sick, stay sick, and pay a lot of money to get better. We have the most expensive health care system in the world, and there is no incentive to lower costs, because lower costs equals smaller profits. Something no business will fo willingly. Which is why we shouldn't allow any business to enrich themselves off the ill health of the American people. Unfortunately the government is not in the business of protecting the American people, it is in the business of protecting corporate profit, so the government simply aids the business of profiting off the ill health of the American people. That is the problem with government!! It is not even remotely the customer of big business, it is the bodyguard and promoter. That is the nature of capitalism though, and unless people are committed to decent government for the benefit of the people, instead of the benefit of capital, things will never change. Unfortunately too many on the right have been duped by corporatist propaganda, and too many on the left have been duped into thinking Democrats are any better than Republicans, for there to be any real change in this country.

 

Do you think you could do a bit of research before posting? Maybe do a quick perusal of anything ever written by Marx. I don't mean read some right wing blog written by a person with a double digit IQ, I mean actually read something written by Marx (the Communist Manifesto isn't all that long). Try to comprehend it. Then try to find elements of Marxism is today's dominant discourses. It simply doesn't exist. Not only doesn't it exist in dominant mainstream discourses, Marxism is also a quickly waning force in academia and across the spectrum. Stop believing in nonsense about the specter of communism (you are on board with Marx on that one), and actually think critically about the failures of the entirely capitalist system that currently exists in this country. It is not even remotely marxist or socialist, it is entirely capitalist. And no, government involvement does not undermine that fact. Government is and has always been an integral part of capitalism. There was never a single moment in the history of capitalist, where government did not play an active and significant role. Only people ignorant of the history of capitalism continue to talk of capitalism and government as if they are distinct and wholly separable.

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Yet countries with public options and single payer system have much lower costs. How can that be, if what you are saying is correct? It is almost as if everything in this post is inaccurate, or at best only a very small part of the whole story!!

 

Ah.... Jonsa, the United States is not Afghanistan, and yes, why shouldn't individuals pay for their treatment, why do you think it should be free? You have failed to read my post, catastrophic insurance would kick in when you reach a certain number. Let's use the amount of $10,000 when the insurance kicks in. You have caught a cold, and you feel you need to see the doctor (people are idiots for going to the doctor for a common cold), the doctor visit is $100 the cold medicine in $20, it will be out of pocket for you.

Most people go through their early years without ever needing to see a doctor, that's why their insurance has always been cheaper. The scenario I just described for you would eliminate unnecessary doctor visits and for illness like the common cold, you would do like most people do, eat chicken soup, drink plenty of fluids and stay in bed. I think that there should be classes in school starting in kindergarten to educate our youth on caring for themselves.

The government should not be our nanny, and the more you depend on them, the more corruption you will create.

 

"Lower costs" for who, exactly?

 

"Best and Brightest"? I guess those doctors never make mistakes, like removing the wrong leg or operating on the wrong patient? Lawsuits are filed everyday over your so-called "best and brightest" doctors.

You can take your "best and brightest" doctors and go live in your own real world. Trust me, I doubt few here will complain if you do. Me, I'll take my chances with a doctor who is there because he wants to help people; not worrying about how much he'll charge in order to pay off his million dollar home or his boat.

 

Collectivist idiocy at its vacuous worst...

 

That is in a nutshell what Benjamin Carson said in his speech. Catastrophic government run health insurance combined with health savings accounts would minimize fraud and abuse. If you are educated in keeping yourself healthy your entire life, your HSA can be passed on to your heirs. Think how large those accounts could be after a few generations, your healthcare needs would be taken care of.

 

Evidence? Or better yet, proof.

 

Typical stereotyping from a liberal. Your jealousy and envy is pathetic. Working hard in America is and has always been the American dream, millions migrate here for that reason, and it is people like you that want to make that dream become a nightmare. Thanks for your contributing cynicism.

 

Something your very guilty of in here. And of course I'm sure you'll deny that the "brightest and best" never make mistakes too.

 

Sure they make mistakes.

The best and brightest are who got us into all the mess we have in Washington.

The best and brightest as applied to government are actually the worst and the most stupid.

 

Uh huh, and what do the people who suffer from a disease or condition do if they don't have enough saved up?

 

You must look at and read the MSM's commentary. They are all left wing, not moderate nor right wing, so anything you get from them is automatically biased to the left. If I had gotten my opinions of the GOP from the MSM I would dislike them too. As it is, the GOP is no worse than the left wing leadership of my own party.

 

The only thing I am guilty of is pointing out those that hate our capitalist society, they are my enemies, because their agenda is to destroy our great nation. So if the shoe fits game boy, you know where I stand.