Should gays be allowed into camps?

that's a nice intelectually dishonest reach.... my enjoyment or not of porn doesn't take away that porn reflects fetishes, and since there is a lot 'lockerroom porn' out there, it must be a fetish....

it may not be your thing.... but to deny it is simply ostrich head in sand syndrome.

 

What? Do you know teenagers these days?

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What? Do you know teenagers these days?

 

Nothing dishonest. I tend to say exactly what I mean.

And the fact is that. . . I wouldn't know about porn. So I'll take your word for it!

 

Only through my grand kids.

But it seems that, if boys want to experiment with girls at an always younger age, it doesn't mean that gay voys would suddenly be all over straight boys, just because they share showers!

I believe they have ALWAYS shared showers, since teenagers who were gay had no real choixe but to lie.

Or is it that you are afraid that straight boys may sudden.y want to experiment with gay boys, if they know they are sharing showers with gay boys?

I think that is a little far fetched. . . But, I have never been in a male locker room, although I have heard that it is common for boys to compare their "attributes" and NOT because they are gay.

But, you are correct, I know very little about teenagers since my kids have teenage kids of their own. . . .it is not my place to deal with my grand kids sexuality!

 

I'd say that you have a decent and healthy view of things.

 

nice swerve, but you implied I'm the perverted porn addict.... not that you don't know about it. There's the intellectual dishonesty.


So, for education purposes, not perverted pleasure..... google shower scene porn..... look at all the links that pop up (you don't even have to view them). Porn, agree with it, like it, or not..... is a reflection of the sexual side and tastes of society IN GENERAL. May not be your cup of tea, but it is a reflection.

So, while I don't think gays are going to start rape gangs in middleschool or highschool showers.... just like I don't think guys would start raping girls in showers either. But the fetish is there in a LOT of young boys minds, both straight or gay.


I taught at a middle school where a girl was paid by boys to take pictures with her cell phone, of girls changing. The fetish is always there.



So I will end that with my reasons why I think gender seperation in gyms, etc, is warranted. I don't want my daughter changing in front of a bunch of 13-19 y.o boys because I know what 13-19 y.o. boys think since I used to be one. Heck, I don't want her changing in front of even just ONE boy that age.

On the same token, I don't want my son changing in front of gay 13-19 y.o. boys either. same thing, I wouldn't want him changing in front of even just one. Because a gay 13-19 yo boy is thinking the same sexual thoughts about cute boys, that I thought about pretty girls at that age, and mental snapshots are something I know happens

 

Well, too bad- because your son is already changing in front of other gay boys- probably some that you know already. What are you going to do? Have some test performed to find out which boys are gay? Then what? What else are you going to do?

 

the ones in the closet about it, nothing you can do about it. But the ones that are flaming or otherwise open about it.... need to be somewhere else for the same reason my son wouldn't be allowed to change in the girl's lockerroom.

of course, putting the gay in the girl's lockerroom presents problems like, some boys would lie just SO they'd get put in that lockerrroom

 

Oh, I see- so now you're going to tell a boy he's not a boy, and put him in the girl's locker room? Should we also get him a separate drinking fountain? And you've solved nothing as you can't tell who's gay and who is not anyway.

Look, I've been changing in the same locker room as everyone else my whole life- so have a lot of other gay people, with no problems whatsoever. I still do now, and am everyone knows I'm gay. It's not an issue unless someone makes it an issue. I'm not hearing about gay kids sexually assaulting straight kids in the locker room- it's just not happening.

 

lol.... nice stretch... but simple fact is, right or wrong, parents don't want guys in girls locker room, and for the EXACT SAME reason... parents don't want the gay in the lockerroom with their sons.

 

Listen, you qre the one who brought up porn and porn fetish. I am 62 years old, ad not only am I not interested in porn, this was NOT a subject that was the center of my interests (not even on the outskirts of my interests, as I didn't even know it existed!) even as I was a teenager in a Catholic boarding school, or as a young bride or mother.

So, i was not being dishonest. It just seems that there is a clear generation, gender and interest gap here.

I didn't accuse you of being a porn addict. . .and I don't care whether or not you are!

But it is funny that it is precisely people who are interested in this that are the most hypervigilant about protecting kids from it!

By the way, although I do not know much about porn, I do notbelieve that everyone who watches porn once in awhile is a "perverted addict!" That was your assessment. . . .not mine!

And I really don't care if my grand sons are "exposed" to gay friends, in fact, I hope they do grow up without the silly fear of gay people! And if one of them should discover that he is gay. . . I would not love him less or judge him more severely.

I am MUCH MORE concern about one of my grandchild being exposed to an adult pedophile, or a porn addict than I am about having him expoded to a gay friend.

Maybe this comes from our own life experience. And while I never had to worry about my friends, I did have to suffer the attentions of pedophiles. . . .and not gay pedophiles!

 

Allowed? No. Put into? Yes.

 

Well, as you said earlier- there's no real way to tell if someone is gay or not. So one more time- what are you going to do about it?

 

Excuse me?

 

That's like allowing a hetero Boy Scout to camp with a troop of girl scouts isn't it?

 

No- because he's not a girl. Just like a gay Boy Scout is not a girl.

 

He is a boy lusting after other boys just like a hetero boy would lust after girls. Why don't homosexuals start their own 'Gay Scouts?'

 

Do you even realize how offensive this comment is?

Well, if nothing else, it certainly confirm what beautiful soul, what a "Christian" you are!

I guess you would have liked it in Nazi Germany! First the Jews, then the gays, then everyone else who disagree with you and doesn't meet your narrow ideas of "respectability,". Right?

 

Because there's absolutely no reason for segregation. Apparently, we can control ourselves a lot more then heterosexuals. Please illustrate for me all the incidents where gay kids are assaulting straight kids in locker rooms and the Boy Scouts.

 

I never mentioned assault but, now that you mention it, young hetero boys are typically driven by hormones and don't always think logically. Therefore, a gay boy scout could be subject to assault by young males hopped up on hormones. You just can't fit a square peg into a round hole.

 

exactly.... this is that slippery slope everyone complains about initially, but supporters deny the slippery slope argument.


By giving into one silly demand, 3 new problems arise.

there is nothing we can do about a closeted gay boy in a boys lockerroom. I guess that's incentive for the boy to stay quiet about his choice huh?

 

Oh- so now that the gay kid's fault?

 

you were dishonest by implying that I was a porn addicted perv..... I'll quit expanding on that point since anything I say beyond that is what you use to avoid the issue I was upset with.

 

No more than it would be a girl's fault if assaulted by a boy. The point is, we should not put our children in that type of danger in the first place. Were I the parent of a gay boy I would not put him in a situation like that.

 

What situation? A kid can't go somewhere because certain people can't control themselves? Should this theoretical gay kid also not go to school because people might assault him there too? Where else should he be prohibited? You guys are inventing solutions to non-existant problems.