Top US Commander: Iran sanctions failed, Iran enriching beyond any peaceful purposes

Well, maybe they do not wish them?

Italy, Spain, was there anything to stop them?

But if they really felt a need, sure, I can make no arguement against.

 

It wouldn't be fair to Israel.

 

Why not?

 

What is in it for Israel. What does Israel get in return for doing that? It isn't fair if they don't get anything in return.

 

Except they are signatories to the NNPT, so if one of them decided they wanted their own nukes, would you simply ignore the NNPT?

 

Iran will disarm their nukes.

There you go.

Nice and equal.



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That would be up to them, not that I really see why Spain or Italy would feel the need.

 

Yes. We have no choice but to go on the warpath once again and kill thousands if not millions of people in another BS-based war against another state that refuses to play along with the NWO.

 

OK, so Iran gives up the imaginary nuke programme which Israel believes it has. Everybody happy.

 

why should Iran give up it's peaceful nuclear program while USA, Israel,..., and even Pakistan have Nukes ?
where is the diffrent here ?!

 

I guess that these people really think that they are "chosen", and there are a lot of useful idiots (they call themselves "Evangelical Christians") who share this belief, because it is written in their holy books:

 

Preventing nuclear proliferation in the Middle East is a very good reason for Israel to join the NPT. As every nation in the Middle East that supports the proposed WMD free zone in the Middle East cites it is Israel's possession of nuclear weapons which present a threat of nuclear war that rationalizes the development of nuclear weapons by other Middle East nations as a deterant to a potential nuclear weapon attack by Israel.

http://www.unidir.org/pdf/articles/pdf-art2241.pdf

The governments of all nations are mandated with the responsibility to protect the people of their nation and as long as Israel presents a potential threat of an offensive nuclear strike against another nation the government of that nation has an obligation to the people of that nation to provide a deterant to such an attack. The only deterant to a nuclear attack is possession of nuclear weapons that could be used in a retallitory response. The possession of nuclear weapons by a nation that engages in militarism rationalizes the development of nuclear weapons as a deterant.

As I've mentioned previously even the stationing of the US military on the border of N Korea rationalizes the development of nuclear weapons by N Korea because the US is a nuclear weapon nation that presents a threat of nuclear attack. The possession of nuclear weapons by one nation rationalize the development of nuclear weapons by other nations as a deterant agianst nuclear attack. It basically creates the MAD doctrine for all nations because nuclear weapons can completely destroy any nation.

 

They should strap the armchair fans to the bombs.

 

They shouldn't.

They are doing nothing wrong.

This is all Israel's doing.

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They need removed, and put in a psychiatric hospital then.

 

But I thought you have said Iran is NOT building nukes?

Israel is not going to disarm simply because Iran wont build a nuke. They will not give up this option until the rest of the nuke countries are prepared to do the same.

 

Bingo!



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Why? The US, France, and the UK would not nuke them. Nor China or Russia.

 

It seems that Zionists need their nukes to extort money from Germany and other European nations.

As you see, if the world opinion endangers the Zionist regime, then Zionists will nuke Germany and the rest of Europe.

That is why Germany had to "sell" submarines to Israel, and these submarines maybe used to nuke Germany.

 

We've been on the impossibly long, difficult path to peace in the ME, trying to reform various Islamic nations. Undoing the great mistake that is Israel would have been the short, easy path, and clearly the more just path as well. Unfortunately, the US has never been much for eating crow.

 

I have thought the same thing myself, Art.

People tend to only think in the moment, they do not see that it is akin to a game of musical chairs, just look at the way friends and foes have interchanged, over history.

Naturally, I could not see any direct threat from Israel,to ANY European nation going down well. Moreover, the way Europe is set up, if you threaten one, you threaten all. Hard to see that Britain and France alone would not react to a threat like that. Sure, Israel have nukes, but I am going to take a bash and guess our nukes are pretty good too, how many would it it take to destroy Israel? One?

All propositions are possible of course, up to and including this one, one that has never been cited on PF before, to my knowlege - a civil war in Israel itself. I actually see that as more possible. Things are not as unified and happy there, as we are told. There are great tensions, imo, and I think it is more possible that in time, we could see a civil war there. Natrually, I cannot see anyone giving my thought there the time of day, but I dunno, could go that way, you may get a generation of Israeli's that do not want this BS anymore, and who realise that following this path is DOOM for them, and DOOM for Jews outwith Israel, which it will be at this pace.

Jack

 

Iran signed the NPT therefore they have to give up their nukes. Can't give Israel something they already are supposed to be doing. So what new additional thing is there to get Israel to give up their nukes and sign the NPT if they don't want to?

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Iran has signed the NPT, and got help building their nuclear power plants in return. Those other countries didn't.

 

Iran doesn't have any nukes. Israel has the nukes. That's clear to everybody outside of the US of AIPAC and its client State. ' Iran's nukes ' is the, very transparent, excuse to attack anti-Zionist Iran- just as ' Iraq's WMD ' was the excuse to attack anti-Zionist Iraq.

 

I agree with you.

The "mad dog" tactics (advocated by Moshe Dayan) will not work out.
When push comes to shove, the "mad dog" will be killed before it bites.
There are a lot of decent and clever Jews who know that, and they will not allow the Zionist madmen to start a nuclear Armageddon.

Well, even the exodus of intelligent Jews from Israel may put the Zionist project in big danger.
The more Netanyahu talks about the "Islamic nuclear threat", the more intelligent Jews are moving from Israel to Germany or to other EU countries. And these Jews that live in Europe are hardly happy about being nuked by Israel.
The numbers of Orthodox Fanatics in Israel is constantly growing, but the number of decent and intelligent Jews in Israel is rather dwindling.

When push comes to shove and the non-israeli Jews have to decide between the life of their children and a nuclear Armageddon, initiated by Israel, that has to support some crazy Biblical Prophecies, they will not support Israel any more.

Zionists are playing a no-win-game, and they have already realized that they cannot win this game.

Most influential Jews live outside of Israel, and they will never agree to die for Israel.
They are eager to support Israel and they will even betray the interests of the countries they live in, but they are not willing to die in a nuclear Armageddon initiated by Israel. That is the only reason why USA has not bombed Iran yet. Some influential and intelligent Jewish guys inside the Israel Lobby have pushed the brake pedal and told Netanyahu to shut up.

But the stupid and corrupt Giyim in EU-Governments may be really put under pressure by this "mad-dog-tactic" of Israel.
I can imagine that some German politicians take these threats seriously.

Well, as long as Jews have the privilege to settle in Germany or other EU countries and have a decent life outside of Israel, there will be no Jewish civil war in Israel. If the Jews eventually lose their privilege of being treated as "eternal victims" and have to remain in Israel, then the threat of a civil war in Israel will be real.

But a civil war between Israelis of different religious denominations is possible in any case.

If all sane Jews abandon Israel and there remain only fanatical Jewish Israelis, fanatical Muslim Israelis and fanatical Christian Israelis, then these groups of fanatical Israelis may really start a civil war.

That is the reason why Israel has to be forced to abandon its illegal nuclear program and destroy its nuclear weapons. A civil war in a country with nukes is very dangerous.

 

It is a stupid statement.
Iran can any time abandon the NPT, and in this case it will be in the same legal position, as Israel.

If they cannot force Israel to sign the NPT, then it is silly to demand anything from Iran. They can expel Iran from NPT, that is all.
But there is no reason to expel Iran from NPT, because Iran is the only country that still sticks to the NPT.

Israel has not signed the NPT, but Zionists got illegal help building their nuclear power and even nuclear bombs.
Countries who signed the NPT helped Israel to build nukes, though NPT prohibits any help to countries that didn't sign the NPT.

As we see, USA, UK and France violated the NPT, because they helped Israel to acquire nuclear technologies, but these hypocrites are pointing the finger at Iran, the only country that still sticks to the NPT!

All states that signed the NPT have promised to reduce and eventually destroy their nukes, but they didn't.

If I was Iran, I would abandon this stupid NPT, because nobody sticks to it.

 

By who? And by what means?

 

When will the threat of the criminal state of Israel be removed?

 

soon I hope for all our sakes because the longer it remains the closer we are to an apocalypse triggered by them