Why did babies out of wedlock INCREASE after legalized abortion?

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  1. Sadanie

    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why are you assuming that all babies born out "of wedlock" are "unwanted" babies?
    If they truly unwanted babies, the mother would have terminated LEGALLY the pregnancy.

    It may also be due to the fact that FEWER COUPLES decide to marry, and MORE COUPLES who choose not to marry still want to have a child.

    There are an increasing number of committed couples who just choose not to marry, and yet very much want a child. Unmarried mothers may fall under "single moms" label, but may be in very committed relationships, hetero or homosexual.
     
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    Just one more instance of how our moral values have disintegrated. Live together without marriage. Have children without marriage. How far we have come.
     
  3. Sadanie

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    Far enough that people who do not believe in religion and are not interested in the "marriage tax cuts" but love each other and love children are raising children without the "stamp of approval" of a Church. . . .And succeeding quite nicely!

    But what you should really do is ask all those people who have been married and divorced 2, 3 or more times, and those who have extramarital affairs, and those who abuse their kids, what they find so "moral" in making wedding vows that they break as soon as the "romance" is gone.

    And you may want to ask those who feel they have no choice but to have an abortion because they must "hide their shame of getting pregnant" from their bigoted family or their religious congregation if the decision to abort would have been made IF they lived in a less bigoted, more accepting family and religious congregation.

    I know at least 5 young couples who have been together for over 8 years (one as long as 17 year) and have at least one child together. These unions are at least (if not more) moral than all those "failed marriages" and those children are WANTED at least as much as the children of divorced parents.

    You may also ask to those people (men and women) who live or have lived in an abusive marriage if there is any morality left in that relationship.
     
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    The OP has no idea what those words mean.
     
  5. Marine1

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    I think I have read more where the woman's live in boyfriend has beaten the child to death. Most states after you have lived together for so long your considered married. I think many that don't get married is because they don't want a binding commitment. They want to be able to walk away with no strings attached. I'm sure there are as many that walk away from an abuse live in as there are marriages.

    We have just gotten to the point that we see nothing wrong in what we do. There is no morality left. Do you realize in just 40 years we have changed the outlook of almost everything we do? We have millions on illegal drugs. We have rap singers putting out the stuff about raping their mother and killing cops and no one gets upset. We now punish the parents if they punish the child for doing wrong. We have a monthly dose of teachers sexually abusing their students. School shooting that happen several times a year. Sex and bloody violence is on every kind of entertainment that people see. Were told we are wrong if we're against homosexuality. We play it up in our movies and television shows. The only thing we seem to consider bad now is religion. This is not the kind of country I even recognize anymore.
     
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    The experience of Scandinavian countries seem to suggest the exact opposite actually. I think one of the issues in the US (and UK) in this area is a lack of properly rounded sex education, not least due to an apparent social inability to discuss the subject openly and honestly even among adults.
     
  7. Skinny.

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    What practical difference does it make? :blankstare:
     
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    Simplistic, and wrong. The INCIDENCE of out of wedlock births increased (exponentially). Not just the numbers.

    The answer is simple...there are more out of wedlock births because people have promoted abortion as a cure to societal dysfunction, when actually it increases it. Any society that embraces baby killing or negative eugenics in any form, particularly targeted towards a particular population (in this case, minority poor) will suffer an increase in anti-social behavior (crime, child abuse) and a weakening of morality and family...upon which healthy societies rely.

    Starting with Al Kinsey, progressives have used junk science to promote and legislate a depraved lifestyle that is deadly to society. While restricting and punishing those who cling to traditional values, they have promoted and increased the numbers of those who live (and are rewarded for) depraved and dangerous lifestyles...they have sexualized children with *studies* that assert that children, from infancy up, are *sexual*...and they used those studies to de-criminalize sex crimes (did you know that rape used to be a capital offense in some regions? Not any more) and encourage promiscuity and the exploitation of children and women. To ofset any reticence the targeted (minority, poor) population might have, they have legalized and promoted "abortion" as "women's health". The meme is that abortion will prevent crime, child abuse, and increase the health level...when the truth is that our acceptance of abortion has led directly to increased criminal prevalence, increased poverty, an increase in medical issues related to sexual activity (stds, abortion related deaths, sex abuse, etc.).
     
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    It's an across-the-board fall of morality.

    Face it. Abortion for example is BASED on immorality. Abortion would be unnecessary if a woman wasn't having sex. And that pesky thing called 'morality' dictates that unmarried women shouldn't BE having sex. And 83% of abortions are done to women who are NOT married. http://www.womenscenter.com/abortion_stats.html

    So just by living by that one dictate of that pesky thing called 'morality' would cut abortion by 83%. That's a good start.

    We'll talk more later, pro-abortionists.
     
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    Amen brother. The only bad thing now in the eyes of the amoralist is religion.

    America will survive because it is an idea and a good one.

    Those condoning the societal problems in your last paragraph will learn their way out of it, either painfully or not depending on their willingness to be a good person.And I'm not talking about after death.

    Immorality is its own punishment. That is why in the dead of night, snuggled tightly under the covers, with only their own thoughts, amoralist Liberals in their heart of hearts are suffering with the thought, "What the hell is wrong with me and my life?"
     
  11. Allie Licious

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    I don't think America, as we know it, will survive. I think we're on the downward slope, and I think it's steep.

    As a Christian, I recognize it's in God's hands and we're closer to our reward....

    As a member of the human race, I cry for humanity and struggle with my resentment towards those responsible...daily I pray that I feel more loving towards them but my prideful nature makes me want to strike out and shake them and say "WAKE UP! YOU'RE DOING THIS TO US! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!"
     
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    Perhaps there are more babies born out of wedlock because it has become far less of a stigma in recent decades.
     
  13. Allie Licious

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    Yup. Because a depraved lifestyle is being promoted.
     
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    Well, if you put stock in the Bible, do you remember where it was said that God wanted to destroy a city, and a prophet said, "If I can find just a FEW good people in this city, will God save it?" God said, "Yes", and did save it.

    God is not a god of punishment or retribution. He only blesses. We punish ourselves because we all know, down deep, what we're doing wrong, and then we punish ourselves for it in creating situations that eventually destroy us.-or should I say, drive ourselves into such misery that we stop doing/thinking that which we know we shouldn't.

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    Of course. But WHY has it become less of a stigma? -Because we have been desensitized to what is wrong by things like the acceptance of abortion; by the acceptance of extreme violence in movies and video games and pop music.
     
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    Explain how Bristol Palin, who was the poster child for abstinence-only education, ended up a single mother then?
     
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    Sources for your figures?

    Regardless, this is a good thing. Marriage is an outdated and failed concept.
     
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    Interesting question. Logically one cant really argue that either abortion or the pill would increase illegitimacy rates. While I dont know this for a fact, I would guess it would be tied to the expansion of the Welfare state that happened under Johnson that rewarded recipients more money for more kids when out of wedlock. Id surmise that over time, the dangling carrot of more money encouraged having more kids out of wedlock, which eventually became ingrained into the culture, and created a cycle of generations of dependency.
     
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    I'm a liberal, and I disagree. Marriage, for many, many people, is a great concept so long as both parties have thought about it for a long time and are committed to the relationship. However, stigmatizing people who don't want to make it official religiously or via state papers (which many on the right are doing) is wrong as well.
     
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    Marriage is depraved. We don't need a disgusting tradition designed to enslave the woman.
     
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    Marriage isn't outdated or "failed", but having the government get involved in marriage seems to be pretty outdated.

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    Historically, it is true that things like the wedding ring signified submission of the woman (or binding of the wrists).

    Still, the fact that modern marriage differs so greatly from this is evidence that marriage has evolved.

    It's also strong evidence against all the people who moan about gay marriage. Marriage has changed several times over the years.
     
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    Bingo. :thumbsup:
     
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    If it's "in god's hands" and you're closer to your "reward" WHY do you want to ""strike out and shake them and say "WAKE UP! YOU'RE DOING THIS TO US! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!"""


    Is it in your god's hands or the people you want to shake? Or do you want to shake your god and tell HIM ""YOU'RE DOING THIS TO US! YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!"
     
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    Marriage SHOULD be about submission by both parties. I should be putting the needs of my wife above my own and vice versa.
     
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    Having babies is depraved? The you must agree that abortion is a good thing.
     
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    She didn't predict that marraige rates would also go down dramatically.
     

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