10 "VERY" Disturbing FACTS About Obamacare......

Try backing up a few steps and getting a wider picture. Currently, the US has far and away the most expensive health care in the world. Second place isn't even close. Per capita, insured or not, US citizens pay boggling sums for health care which is, by most sensible metrics, considerably worse than is available for a fraction of the price in all other Western nations. The one big plus in the US system is that, IF you have a ton of money and a medical problem that costs a fortune, you can get treatment immediately, no waiting.

So if US citizens are paying all this money and for it they are receiving inferior medical care, we have two general questions:
1) Where in the hell is all that money going?
2) How can Obamacare possibly make things MORE expensive, and where will all THAT money go?

So far, I've seen some pretty long and detailed answers to the first question. Big Pharma is doing very well, thank you. Insurance companies aren't strongly opposed to Obamacare for no reason, either. Top hospital administrators regularly receive 7-figure salaries. And so on, and on and on.

As for the second question, we'll have to wait and see. What's clear so far is that everyone sucking at the tit of current medical money flows is up in arms about any change, and is busily fanning the flames among those who don't understand anything about the intricate complexities of medical insurance but who know Obama is the Devil Incarnate, not to mention dishonest, stupid, black, liberal, and hateful.

Those who stand to benefit from the new system don't know it yet. I recently learned that under Obamacare, my wife's (mandatory) medical coverage will cost her $195 for the entire year of 2014, and $650 for 2015. Her voluntary insurance today is costing $300 a month ($3600 a year), and doesn't cover as much. Now, she hasn't actually SPENT as much as $195 for medical treatment in any year in the last couple of decades. So where did the other approximately $70,000 go? Is it any mystery why insurance companies are fighting this so hard?

 

Fixed that for ya.

....and by the way...the answer is that they won't.

 

If your low income especially under 138% of the Federal Poverty line you get heavily subsidized or free health care, and its heavily subsidized the closer the Medicaid level you get. Florida's Senate plan would likely cost for the poor somewhere around $10-20 a month for premiums and modest out of pocket costs hardly that bad.

As for hours at work its been trending down in several major industries for years hospitality, food service, retail and other areas so its not a big deal but look at it in a good way the work hours needs to be filled so more people will get jobs so that is good.

As for the other issues everything will balance out in time, as for medical providers STATES license them and all have one state school with a MD program and can bring in foreign medical doctors and allow LNP's and Nurse Midwives do some primary care duties. They also control insurance so they could demand insurers prove they need to raise rates to do so and decide how much is fair. Why pick on the ACA what is the state your in doing to make the law work?

 

LOl...so now it's rep's fault that Dem's passed legislation? OK....if you say so....

 

You keep living a dream world. Me, I'll look at the reality and deal with it. Businesses are already cutting back hours and the doctor shortage is no wild ass prediction, it's well documented and the costs are as well.
Clowns who support this POS law may think they going to be "taken care of" and the country will better off, but it ain't reality.

 

You're not looking at reality at all. Doctor shortages were on the way before Obama was even elected. A less attractive career (for a number of reasons) means fewer people getting into the field. That combined with an aging population and more chronic diseases guarantees a shortage.

 

The Administration and the Media Cohorts will blame it on the Republicans.

 

11. Expansion of Medicare and Medicaid causes many places to stop accepting them. Thus leaving countless people with worthless insurance.

 

Reality is the number of DR's planning early retirement has risen sharply and the reason given is Obamacare.
REALITY is a vast number the claims made by supporters of the HC law have been exposed as flat out lies. I'm not sure what the attraction is for folks who still support the ACA.

 

Democrats destroyed economic incentives for young sharp minds to become doctors and for capable current doctors to stay in the field. Our health care system was forced into a horrible spiral of bad care by Barack Obama and the Democrats and their is no end in site.

 

Got anything to back this claim up?

 

IF the Righties had ANY decent basis for their claims they wouldn't have to LIE so much to try to block Obamacare.

I don't doubt that Herceptin wasn't paid for during its early development and introduction, but for-profit health insurance NEVER pays for that EITHER!

This drug was FULLY APPROVED for routine breast cancer treatment in Japan in February of 2008, for pity's sake! STOP IT, your Right Winger's hysteria against Obamacare is BEYOND ABSURD! http://www.chugai-pharm.co.jp/html/meeting/pdf/080303eYamaguchi.pdf

Once again, another MASSIVE Rightie PROPAGANDA FAIL!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...japanese-approval-against-gastric-cancer.html

 

A democratic congress passed this BS and now we all have to pay for it. Obama's dream of destroying America is alive and well. Once he destroys it he will try to rebuild it to resemble his home town, Chicago.

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A democratic congress passed this BS and now we all have to pay for it. Obama's dream of destroying America is alive and well. Once he destroys it he will try to rebuild it to resemble his home town, Chicago.

 

MessiahCare WAS NOT "passed".

MessiahCare was kicked out of the Senate by only one vote.

Too bad that one vote was Al Franken's, who is illegally occupying the seat won by the GOP in Minnesota in 2008.

 

No intelligent person should taken anybody that uses these kinds of pejorative terms to poison the well seriously.

 

There's actually a lot of truth to this. The law, complex and involuted as it is, amounts to a camel designed by a committee. The Republicans were in the minority in both houses, which is how it passed, but as I recall they didn't try to modify it where it seemed impractical, they only tried to kill it. Meanwhile, even the Democrats were painfully aware of the power of the health insurance industry. A sensible, coherent national health care plan would basically replace that entire industry. Since this was not politically feasible, the Democrats tried to make the rope longer by cutting some off one end and tying it onto the other.

So all anyone really knows, even today 3 years later, is that the flows of money are going to change, perhaps a lot. Those currently sitting in that flow are highly opposed, because at best they gain nothing, and they'll probably lose money. Those who MIGHT be sitting where the new cash flows happen, don't know it yet because it hasn't happened yet. And given the patchwork nature of the program, exactly what the money flows will eventually look like won't be known until (1) there are a LOT of court decisions addressing a LOT of complaints; and (2) the guaranteed huge federal bureaucracy necessary to handle everything gets built, and promulges a zillion regulations -- which then must be adjudicated in administrative courts.

By the time the dust has settled, I predict most people will be pretty happy with the results, as those results affect them personally. But "most people" probably will NOT include insurance companies or the top administrators of for-profit hospitals.

 

Its not exactly right the Democrats had a small window to pass the ACA so they rammed it through but it was upheld by the Supreme Court and Democrats held onto the White House and the Senate so enacting the law now is going to happen. Now the real issue if its in place and say most states are on board with the Republicans dare repeal it at that point?

Precedent says its very unlikely that will happen.

But my issue is this what are States doing to make the ACA work in their states?

 

In other words, the Low Information Voters want to not only control the terms of the discourse but are offended that honest people won't play their game.

Any particular reason your betters should accede to your unenforceable demands? What're you going to do, put the Mayor on "ignore" and declare victory?

 

I'm not making any demands, I'm telling you that when you use idiotic terms like that it makes you look foolish. What, can't you have a discussion without resorting to childish ad hominems?

"Obama? More like POOP-BAMA AM I RITE?"

I mean, seriously, grow up.

 

Only the dishonest can claim it was "upheld" by the Supreme Court when the first thing the majority had to do was pretend that fines and punishments were "taxes", a complete corruption of terms and a complete re-write of the law itself, and thereby an act of legislation from the bench almost as heinous as the earlier Roe v Wade decision.

Also, the courts decide what they consider to be "constitutional", not what IS constitutional, and people relying on court decisions to figure out what is in agreement with the Constitution are admitting their own intellectual laziness and their inability to understand something as the United States Constiution.

Tell the class, all of you who believe in the infallibility of the United States Supreme Court, which one of the following two decisions was correct, and which was incorrect:

Plessy v Ferguson, which imposed Jim Crow on the nation, much to the delight of the DemocRAT politicians.

Brown v Board of Education, which stated Jim Crow was inconsistent with the Constitution.

Now that you've admitted the United States Supreme Court is fallible, your argument from the infallible authority of the Court is shown to be invalid.

Now, since you can't cite the clause of the Constitution that grants the Congress the authority to punish people who refuse to engage in defined commerce, what kind of nation do you really want to live in. Since it isn't a free nation, why are you still in the United States?

 

My reading is, most states are doing nothing at all yet. It's far from clear exactly how all this is going to work, and it might not be clear for several years. So the States have so far been given the choice of setting things up as they think best, or letting the feds do it for them. I suspect many states are waiting for some other pioneering fools to get the arrows in the back, and THEN copy whatever works somewhere else.

Of course, if the law had NOT included an invitation for the States to do things their way, the States would complain loudly about the arrogant feds.

 

You were whining in amazingly amusing fashion that you didn't like the term "MessiahCare", a trademark eponym the Mayor uses for that bastardized socialist plan to ruin the health care system in the United States.

you voted for King Obama, Fascist and Traitor, you certainly have you head up in the place for the closest examination of his poop, so how about if you tell us if you're right...."rite" or not.....is that a religious rite you're performing, checking your king for intestinal polyps like that?