Personhood laws already criminalizing miscarriages in the US.

All a fetus needs is a womans body to develop in.....a teenager requires a bit more effort.

Denying this will make you seem even less rational than you already do......is that Okay with you?

 

If the mother is single and the sole support of the 14-year-old and she works hard to provide his needs - which are getting more expensive as he goes into his teen years - she may not feel she's able to give up her job to stay home with another child or pay for child care - which conservatives resist subsidizing with every breath in their bodies. She may feel that since she's a single parent of a son, he needs her support and involvement in his life - school and activities - as much as possible. If a choice has to be made, which would YOU choose? The weeks old fetus or the 14-year-old son? And do you really believe the son would consider his mother a "witch" for putting HIS needs first?

 

That's ghoul is no "doctor"

 

And thus....adoption.

 

Fair enough.

Can I opt out of this enslavement process at any time?

I'd like to stop being enslaved by politicians, welfare queens, illegal aliens and a host of other parasites that have enslaved me. It's a matter of my own survival.

 

Exactly.

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I agree. Abolish the income tax, grandfather out the welfare system and transition to a private charity system, and remove other "benefits" (including most subsidies and corporate welfare).

 

So you are saying that one form of slavery is better than another? If carrying a fetus to term and then birthing it is considered "slavery", caring for that child for 18 years could be considered "slavery" also.

 

Are we talking about the real world practices or your fantasy world where this is done?

You want the state to impose your will upon women and their doctors. That's an odd position for a "rights" person.

 

I thought we were talking about unfettering as in murdering a fetus or a 14 year old.

Do you progressive women ever consider adoption over killing the fetus? Why are progressive women such a selfish death sisterhood.

The nation has become progressively sicker since the Left's social revolution.

 

WHAT!?? a helpless two year old child doesn't have rights external care?!!


PETA has more respect and compassion for animals' "rights" than pro-abortionists have for childrens' rights

 

I want the state to protect a fetus's right to life while simultaneously protecting a woman's right of ownership of her body. A woman would have a right to have an abortion, the techniques she could legally use would be limited.

And yes, there are several abortion techniques that remove the fetus intact. They basically force miscarriages. Most current forms of late-term abortion would have to be illegal.

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Not a PETA supporter, so I don't know what the non sequitor was meant for.

And no, a 2 year old only has a right to external care if a 32 year old does. Can a 32 year old force you to work for him to ensure his survival?

 

Against the parent's will, yes it would be. That is why a parent has a right to put their child up for adoption.

 

Dayum....do you people take a course in rewording comments, is there some secret society that shows you the means required to place words into the mouths of others?

I grow tired of the attempts to derail the actual debate by those who have no other options....so just straight out answer this, no subterfuge, no sideline, no switching subjects.....just freakin' type in what you think!


Do You Consider all Human Cellular life to be a Person?

 

I'm a fully developed adult with the capacity to tell a 32 year old to go (*)(*)(*)(*) themselves

Per your disturbing world view, child abuse / neglect laws should be abolished.

 

Well, That's interesting and a little bloody. Couldn't women tell you to butt out?

 

Where did I claim that? Children should not be abused because that violates their right of ownership of their own bodies and they also shouldn't be neglected. I'm not against laws that mandate that parents who don't want their kids to give them up for adoption. I'm against laws that invent new human rights, like you are trying to do.

Human rights are human rights. They don't grow or change based on age. A person is born with a set of rights.

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Not if they are inflicting harm on another person. No one has the right to do that except in self-defense of their own life or that of their family.

 

Total ILLOGIC.

It was not the ACTION of the BABY, that made he or she DEPENDENT upon his/her mother, was it? IT was the CHOICE MADE BY THE MOTHER that made that happen, therefore the CONSEQUENCES,and RESPONSIBILITY are hers,and the FATHER'S.

The BABY is COMPLETELY INNOCENT. He/she did not CHOOSE to be dependent.

 

And other site to verify these claims then some Feminist site?

 

You can have legal guardianship of an adult.....Its not called legal slavery. No where does it say you are "enslaved"..

Talk about a warped talking point.

 

Yet, ironically, you have participated in the derailment until it became uncomfortable to you.

You grow tired of butting into two other poster's debate in order to demand that we concede to your questions?

Wouldn't it be easier for you to butt out then to get embroiled into something that you think is derailing the thread? There is that option.

And no, I don't think that your semen, mucus, dandruff or cellular membranes are life independent of your body.. I do think that when your semen reacts to her ovaries, however, you have given spark to life.

 

And that adult can force you to work for them against your will?

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The article contained links to court cases and incidents to back itself up.

 

Very well...butting out.

 

Unless the mother deliberately tried to become pregnant, then she did not choose to be pregnant.

 

You by law are responsible for their care. If you want to call that "Forced" to go into your little rant about being enslaved then so be it.

 

There is only one difference between the 40+ million unborn fetuses aborted since Roe v. Wade legalized abortion and the person reading this...

Someone cared enough about you to carry you to term and give birth to you, and the unborn didn't.

Life and Death comes down to the luck of the draw.

You were lucky...

40+ million weren't.

Who will speak for the dead, or are we to go on pretending they simply never existed...and if they never existed, why was an abortion necessary to terminate their existence.

I believe a large segment of our culture, is in denial over the reality of the procedure.

It terminates a life.