What's wrong with the left? 1st lets quit calling them liberals. For the most part they have more in common with King George III and Louis the XIV than they do with Washington, Jefferson, and the abolitionists. I for one do not wish to giver credit where it isn't due. 2nd, the average leftist is a walking stack of contradictions, who can't differentiate between power and money. He has no problem with a doctor who has attained the paygrade of a GS15 living in San Francisco making 175k a year but a doctor or surgeon in private practice doing exactly the same work who makes 175k is automatically ripping people off. 3rd, most leftist apparently aren't very good at math. AS they claim the the Forbes flat tax screws the poor never mind that under the forbes plan you don't even pay taxes except on money earned in excess of 35k. Oh and your first 35K is free no matter how much you earn. Even funnier is their insistant yammering about tax cuts for the rich which cut the tax rate for the rich by 7.8% while simultaneously cutting the taxes on the poorest tax payers by a whopping 33%. 4th, the duplicity of the left is never ending. Hitler and Moussillini were perectly exceptable leftist right up until they sided with Franco during the Spanish Civil War after that they became persona non grata. Why because that nefarious Stalin was on the other side and the left in that Era took it's marching orders from Uncle Joe. The interesting thing is that all the world's leftist still affirms stalins lie about Moussolini and Hitler being right wingers, while most of the governments in the West almost completely ape the Methods of Moussolini's Italy right down to it's de facto, as opposed to de jure, socialism. In short what is wrong with the left is that most of them insist on believing things that simply aren't true. And many things that simply cannot be true. The only effective gun control is the abilty to put a bullet through the head of a rapist from fifty feet away without spattering excessive amounts of blood on the person he is currently victimizing.
BS dude. Again the problem with the left is that they, like you believe a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with reality as it is.
I am far from the left. You are the left by my standards. This was my post before it got cut off: The right are the problem with the left. They are so tied down by christ that the only people who could give the Progressive-Leftist vermin what they deserve are too busy turning their cheeks and tip toing around the left because the American Right have earned NO RESPE T. You are laughed at and continue on, as if mockery fuels you.
More elitist dribble, how about you worry about what is broken in the conservative movement before you offer free advice on how others should fix theres
Conservative. Conserve. There must NOT be a conservative American movement. There is nothing worth conserving in this filthy place. Anyone on the right who's agenda isnt "burn this btch down" and "make the enemy squirm" they can move the (*)(*)(*)(*) on over with Biden and Bush
OP has no idea of what he is talking about and he is ignorant of basic political theory . OP guess what , "the left" are not those who disagree with you ! American democrats are usually center-right , you see contradictions because you don't understand who they are.
Actually You will note I didn't specify American left, Mut, further it is you who fail to understand the Uniqueness of the American political system. The Majority here has a far more difficult time running roughshod over the minority party especially in the Senate. You will also note I didn't say Democrats The American Left isn't even a majority within the Democratic party although they have a disproportionate say in national elections regarding candidate selection. And of course not every one who disagrees with me is a leftist, there are also populists and more than a few on the right. Oh and for what it is worth I wholly disagree with what passes for modern political theory which in the main is little more than an excuse for leftist to pick and choose their cohorts without regard to actual policy differences and history. Sorry wiz elitist drivel iswhat we get from people like Obama. And dribble is what we have come to expect from that small number of leftists I tend to refer to as Obamanators. It sort of goes with being frothing at the moputh head over heals insanely in love with a politician. Uh risedrop thedamn dictionary, it's relevance to Amercan politics is tenuous at best as there is almost no one here regardless of party label or affiliation that really likes the status quo.
Might I suggest that Americans are so out of contact with the world that their 'left' and 'right' are nothing to do with anything real? Senator McCarthy saw to that.
Exactly. We have a center right party in the Democrats and a far right party in the Republicans. Leftists are almost non existent in the US. Che Guevara was a leftist.
What's wrong with the left is rampant fiscal insanity. If even one of their number starts to say "Y''know, maybe we can't afford this" they turn on them and chase them out. Just like they did to the former Hawaii Governor in Honolulu. Just want, want, and want, can't see the writing on the wall.
"Left" and "right" are for socks or boxing. Intelligent political discussions involves words of more than one syllable.
Joe, Tecoyah, and that is the attitude of ignorance that lets the left get away with it's shenanigans. When you start actually paying attention instead of making up excuses not to then maybe you'll be able to contribute something worthwhile.
Who is "the left" though? Your definition doesn't mean anything because nobody actually matches all of your negative criteria. You're just listed opinions that you disagree with so you can lump anyone you disagree with on any single issue in to your amorphous hate bucket. Hey, it's easier than actually debating with them. If you disagree with what some people say or do on some issues, by all means pick them up on it, challenge and counter them but don't pretend that there is some simplistic binary division across the political landscape and please don't drag everything and everyone else down with your bipartisan rubbish. Please don't take this personally. You're far from alone on this, including all the people who spout the same kind of trash about "the right".
If you put aside the peripheral issues like gun control, abortion, gay marriage...and focus strictly on the economic policies... while the Right, in practice...isn't much better...the average Leftist is completely devoid of basic economc principles.... case in point...the reality that the Government does not generate it's own revenue...it's revenue is garnered through taxation and regulation... The Government doesn't "sell" a product or service...it provides for same...but the taxpayer, whether corporate or individual funds the government... The top 1% of earners pay almost as much as 95% of the entire bottom of earners....yet the "Robin Hood" school of economic theory preys upon the ignorance of the Left...and instigates the populist inspired politics of envy...rather than a viable solution. It's like a bunch of high school dropouts, are dictating economic policies....with bumper sticker sloganeering... "Corporations are evil" "Wal-mart sucks" The Government is already spending to the tune of $1 Trillion a year over revenue...the only way to make up this massive debt accumulated by excessive spendng is a fully employed citizenry...employed by the "evil Corporations." They are basically shooting themselves in the foot thinking the Government will provide for them while at the same time demonizing the very entities which fund the Government....
Joe that is precisely what i mean by ignorance. The left are by and large people who support more government and strangely enough in some cases as a means of eventually obtaining a human state in which no government is needed. However since this last will almost certainly never happen you just wind up with ever more government until the point at which things become ultimately unsustainable and the whole darn thing collapses like a house of cards. One other thing others beside yourself should note you cannot have simultaneously efficient government and a great deal of personal privacy.
Presumably that bit of inconsistency is in addition to all of the characteristics listed in your OP, and all the other characteristics traditionally attributed to "the left"? The problem is none of that reflects reality. Can you identify even a single individual who expresses all of the opinions, desires and characteristics you attribute to this group? Where is this "left" that you clearly consider are so significant in the political landscape? In my experience, I've yet to meet any two people who have shared the same opinion on all political issues, let alone those who can be legitimately lumped in to so tightly (yet varyingly) defined groupings. I see nothing other than another "them and us" division.
eh, what a headache, the biggest problem with the left is the Athenian Delian syndrom their leadership suffers from the biggest problem with the right is their theocratic imperialism, the problems they share include being short sighted greedy human beings in a corporatist protectionist pluralist and dishonest environment. Long live the Oligarchy of dualism, thanks Kant and Plato you guys are just so awesome.
joe there are dozens on this very board, that thing in that very way. Hell karl marx did the dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to wither away but to date barring a complete it never goes away.
All I know is that we have a group of people who believe that there is an intelligent power higher than the human, and that because of this power, humans can depend on something other than themselves to subsist. And we have a group who doesn't believe that. Therefore they need a big HUMAN govt. to take care of them, and not believing that anything but chance is in control of the universe, they constantly come from fear and unhappiness. ....and naturally, hatred and envy of the OTHER group.
So many untruths and BS in one OP it is simply too ludirous to even bother and reply with an arguement, after all the person that wrote it has so many things wrong with their thinking they are probably not capable of changing their warped POV. My my my this site really has gone straight down hill over the last couple of months.
It's is interesting to note the number of people puting on the shoe and putting open and hollering over the perfect fit... Demonstrate my error caspy old boy Attampting to do so might teach you a fwew things...
