Who are Syria's rebels

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  1. Jack Napier

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    Jenny,

    You don't strike me as bad person, and in your heart I am sure you are good, but my word are you confused.

    You appear to self identify as a Christian, and what you are doing I'm afraid, is falling into the same old trap of 'blame the Muslims'.

    Please understand I am of no organised religion, nor do I have religious friends, and I don't have any Muslim friends either, as it happens. In short, I never had reason or cause to defend Islam per se. But fair is fair, and if we remove the labels, they are merely people, like you or I. Perhaps, as a Christian, you need reminding of those things, and it is my duty to do the reminding, as and when I see fit. The first thing I will remind you of, is this. Please compare what is said about your Jesus Christ in the Koran, then compare what it says to the Bab Talmud. This is absolutely key, for there is barely a better measure to begin from. I will leave it to you to determine what is in both, rather than make the claim myself, but I assure you, if you do a direct comparison, think about it, then you will be on the right path.

    I really hope that most Christians don't actually believe at all, and why? For if they do, then many of them are going to pay the price for replacing the words of Jesus, with idol worship of Israel, organised Jewry, and of course, the root of all evil...the love of money.

    It wasn't so long ago that 60million Russians(mainly white Russian Christians), were starved, beaten, interned, tortured and murdered, at the hands of Bolsheviks and 'communism', both of which were as Jewish, as so called 'Zionism' is today. Guess why that is barely given any media focus, while the entire focus in on what Christians have allegedly done to Jews, down the years...because Jews dominate the media and therefore, the flow of information, they educate YOU to their whims.

    Don't forget as well, that in all the wars orchestrated and fuelled by the counting houses, it tends to be large numbers of Christians that are murdered, for their financial and territorial gains. Who lost most people in WW1 and WW2? Was it Christians, or was it Jews? Even if you accepted their holocost story at face value, the answer would still be the former, Christians.

    Domestically, and in the US, who do you think it was who have had Christmas trees removed from airports, the banning of school prayers, the introduction (by way of a law no less), of an education day(sic) for their religion(cult), and so on?

    It.

    Is.

    Not.

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    Muslims.
     
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    I can always rely on snakestretcher to put a situation into perspective reality.
     
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    I recall when I read "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". Many claim that it was rhetorical prose by Czar Nikolai and his "anti-Sematism". My response is as it has always been, if it was prose by Nikolai, he must have read the books called Talmud. Another response and retort is this: what is in PLEZ fits perfectly the actions of those who are influential Zionist Jews.
     
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    Ah, I well recall when I first heard of that book. Must have been a good 20yrs ago. I was not really interested in anything political back then, therefore, albeit I had heard of the book, I really had no idea what it was meant to be about, or anything. As time went on, I still heard about it, and any time I did it was a curious thing because there seemed to be a lot of people claiming 'it is all rubbish'. Fair enough. Finally, about two years ago, I picked up a copy from Amazon. Only cost a couple of quid, so I felt I could hardly lose on the deal, and at least I would be able to read it, and make up my own mind on the content therein. The first mild surprise was how short it was. The second was how easy it is to read and understand. An even more interesting fact(no disputes here), that is was written a very long time ago. What did I think of it having read it, then compared it to the World today? My position would be consistent with what Ford said, it appears to fit perfectly what we have today, and where we are at. Either the content is a remarkable coincidence of almost epic proportions, or it was some sort of prophecy(which I don't believe in), or it was something other.
     
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    whatever the situation was in that region , - the creation of the Zionist state -the displacement/dispossession of Palestinians have certainly made the general situation considerably worse. It has turned Arab against Jew + Jew against Arab - as NEVER before.

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    You can pin the blame on the top Jews, the Bauer's.

    It was, is, and always will be, their project
     
  7. Uri

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    What a surprise, a muslim that believes that the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" are real.
    What school did you all go to???

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    Thats one way to look at it.
    Another way, is that muslim can accept jewish presence only if the jews are second class citizens. once the jews become the ruling class, all hell breaks loose.
     
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    Indeed. Truman said the same.
     
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    It's a mistake to generalize in such away about any group of people. I used to work with a guy who believed the Protocol cobblers. He was a strict practicing Muslim from Morocco. One day he brought in one of these dodgy 'truther' videos which he claimed purported to show that the first plane that struck the building on 9-11 actually exploded a millisecond before it made contact. He slowed it down one frame at a time and was convinced the buildings were brought down by controlled explosives and that the whole thing was an inside job.. As far as he was concerned, my mere questioning of his narrative was enough to convince him that I was one of 'them'. He was absolutely 100 percent convinced and no amount of reason would sway him to the reality. I'm dumbstruck by these kinds of people. He was a nice guy but so deluded.
     
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    what exactly do you mean by second class citizens?

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    what about all the pilots who don't believe the 9/11 story?
     
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    Be honest, do you have a copy, and have you read it personally?
     
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    Pilots for truth

    I find it hard to believe Capt. Burlingame gave up his ship to Hani Hanjour pointing a boxcutter at him. Pilots know The Common Strategy prior to 9/11. Capt. Burlingame would have taken them where they wanted to go, but only after seeing more than a "boxcutter" or knife. Why was Capt. Burlingame, a retired Military Officer with training in anti-terrorism, reported to have given up his airplane to 5 foot nothing. 100 and nothing Hani Hanjour holding a "boxcutter". (Exaggeration added for size of Hani, he was tiny, lets just put it that way). We at pilotsfor911truth.org feel the same as his family in that Capt. Burlingame would not have given up his airplane unlike what is reported in this linked article from CNN.



    "Ted Olson told CNN that his wife said all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters."
    CNN - September 12, 2001 Posted: 2:06 AM EDT (0606 GMT)

    http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon.html
     
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    Apart from Syria's legitimate claim against Israel's illegal annexation of Golan heights, and Syria's formidable air defences - blocking US/ Israel's path to Iran .

    It also important + serves Israel's interests that there should remain as much turmoil /chaos /disorder amongst its neighbours. - by fair means or fowl. Peace + unity amongst Israel's neighbours is Israel's greatest fear.

    Turkey/Qatar/ /KSA etc, are allies of America and America serves Israel's interests.
    There are intrigues about we shall remain unaware of for years to come.

    " - its never necessary for our political masters to completely suppress their political agreements / stratagems /tactics , its sufficient to delay the news until it no longer matters."
    (Napoleon ?)


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    Now let's see if you can stick to facts from Jewish Virtual Lib.

    "
    The Jewish Golden Age

    The situation improved in 711 when Spain fell under the rule of the Muslim Moors. Both Muslims and Jews built a civilization, based in Cordoba, known as Al-Andalus, which was more advanced than any civilization in Europe at that time. Jews were able to coexist peacefully with their neighbors; however, they were still treated as dhimmis, "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians) who are protected under Islamic law.

    The era of Muslim rule in Spain (8th-11th century) was considered the "Golden Age" for Spanish Jewry. Jewish intellectual and spiritual life flourished and many Jews served in Spanish courts. Jewish economic expansion was unparalleled. In Toledo, Jews were involved in translating Arabic texts to the romance languages, as well as translating Greek and Hebrew texts into Arabic. Jews also contributed to botany, geography, medicine, mathematics, poetry and philosophy.

    A number of well-known Jewish physicians practiced during this period, including Hasdai Ibn Shaprut (915-970), who was the doctor for the Caliph (leader of Spain). Many famous Jewish figures lived during the Golden Age and contributed to making this a flourishing period for Jewish thought. These included Samuel Ha-Nagid, Moses ibn Ezra, Solomon ibn Gabirol Judah Halevi and Moses Maimonides.


    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Sephardim.html

    AFAI can tell - Jews more often as not lived /enjoyed a much higher standard of living than the average citizen not only through out the Arab world but all over Europe as well, until they proved to be their own worse enemies. in their attitudes /behaviours towards Gentiles/Goyim.

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    Iran has the second highest Jewish population in ME and they're not second class citizens, on the contrary - they're very successful.

    Iranian Jews say to Israel - Our Nationality is not for sale meaning they refuse to accept Israel's offers of bribery ..

    If you cant bear reading the introduction , then fast forward 2.5 minutes.


    [video=youtube;aVueCIVta9o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVueCIVta9o[/video]


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    Communism and Zionism = Jewish creations.

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  16. Abu Sina

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    Karma Mechanic needs to read this.

    Jews did much better under Salahedin and other Muslim rulers than they did under the crusaders and this is a fact.
     
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    I'm glad we are on agreement that muslims started using violence when they understood that the jews will be the one in control of israel, and not the muslims.

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    You know that i usually dont generalize, but sometimes, it's too much.

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    You know exactly what i mean.
     
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    One does not have to be in the sewer to know that it stinks.
     
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    Only a Jew-hater a--hole would own a copy of the Protocols, but for my sins I did read them once. I've read more believable stories in kid's fairy tale books.
     
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    I knew youll go back 600 years.
    Try something more recent:
    "In 1834, in Safed local Muslim Arabs carried out a massacre of the indigenous (Old Yishuv) Jewish population of that city in the Safed Plunder.[citation needed]
    In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. It was only by forcible conversion that a massacre was averted.[27] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[28][29] In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam.[30]
    In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjamin wrote about the life of Persian Jews:
    "…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[31]
    In 1840, the Jews of Damascus were falsely accused of having murdered a Christian monk and his Muslim servant and of having used their blood to bake Passover bread.[32] A Jewish barber was tortured until he "confessed"; two other Jews who were arrested died under torture, while a third converted to Islam to save his life. Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fez in Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.[27]"
     
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    The likes of K.Mechanic + his/her fellow traveller are so blinkered , they'd just blot any information which runs contra to their deeply entrenched program.

    There's nothing as secure as a closed mind.


    cheers.
     
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    People DO NOT simply turn on each other for no reason at all,

    Any reliable record of the causes ? what did the Jews do to their neighbours to have caused such violent reactions ???

    Of course the Hasbarist who regularly edit Wikipedia would'nt let that be known , now would they . ?


    Yes , its well known that Jews always claim to be the eternal victims without an honest examination of the reasons.

    Cause and effect, action and reaction. Nothing happened without a cause..

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    Except a nice secure steel gate to secure them in, so the rest of humanity can live in peace.
     
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    no explain it to me how they are treated as second class citizens

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    and that is a very dangerous thing

    ignorance
     
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    Of course its the jew's falt, as always.
     

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