History has shown that atheist-controlled government is fatal to Christians

Whenever atheism becomes the official philosophy of the government, Christians start dying.

Christians are well aware of this, which is why we don't trust atheists, and won't vote them into positions of power in government -- unless they LIE about who they are and what they believe.

Even Obama, who obviously doesn't believe in God, must posture as a Christian to get elected.

Even Nancy Pelosi, who hates God and mocks him, pretends to be a devout Catholic.

Even Harry Reid, who is God's worst enemy, pretends to be a devout Mormon.

And the Democrat party leadership put back mention of God in their platform -- even while people were booing and jeering on the floor.

Discuss.

 

Another baseless, angry attack on atheists.

 

Yep, just yet another baseless, angry attack on atheists.

 

How do you tell actions informed by the non-belief in a god from actions informed by opposition to religion? Communists, for instance, do not dislike the church because they are atheists, they are atheists because they dislike the church. You can note how Marx is quoted saying that "religion is an opiate for the people", not that "there is no good reason to believe in a god" or anything similar. Communists were angry at the church and felt that they were being oppressed and that was the basis of the persecution of the Christians in Soviet, not the position of atheism in itself.

 

Please cite the examples of an atheist government resulted in Christians dying.

 

Did you go to high school? Did you attend college? Do you ever read newspapers? I sense a complete ignorance of the history of everything that's ever happened.

 

I sense a complete lack of basis for your claims based on you obvious dodge.

 

While this isn't true it does show that you keep starting threads about atheists complain that atheists are attacking you. Hmmmmmmmm

 

Have you never heard of the French Revolution?

Have you never heard of Communism?

Atheists like to claim that the Nazis weren't atheists, but they were, so they count too.

 

I know wiki makes the contradictory claim "many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938" What is it, 10,000 or over 100,000? I also know the resources are from American writers which are heavily biased in their numbers against communism. I've seen outright lies by the American media on nations like Cuba and Venezuela and their press on the Israel/Palestine conflict is one sided so I would like to see non-american sources for this issue.

 

I agreed until the second line..

Any government that actively takes an interest in the beliefs, or lack thereof, of it's citizenry will probably lead to the violation of rights of believers or disbelievers (depending on it's a theocracy or state atheism). The problem is thus not wheter a government is religious or atheist but wheter it hold religious views, or lack of it, to any value at all.

Mistrusting atheists because some governments had state atheism and killed christians is as stupid as atheists mistrusting christians because christian governments once led inquisitions against non believers.

Do think over your position please, and realise that it's unreasonable.

 

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The NAZIs weren't atheists, they were some sort of genetic racists. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Religion. They also made a big to-do about paganism, but even that has a pantheon of sacred or @ least other-Worldly beings who wield powers. Which still isn't atheism, nor even agnosticism.

& going to the OP - The early Roman Empire was simply lousy with belief in gods, heroes, godlets, etc. & yet - if we can trust the recieved history - early Christianity was savagely repressed by the empire until Emperor Constantine's time.

 

Roman persecution of Christians is much talked about, but it was not constant or pervasive and the number of Christians who died was probably no more than a few thousand.

The atheist governments of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, killed hundreds of millions. Christianity was brutally oppressed. In Cuba, Christmas was outlawed for many years.

And based on the hostility of PF forum atheists, and people like Hitchens and Dawkins, I imagine they would do exactly the same if somehow they got power. Our local atheists start threads about how religion is the worst thing that ever happened to humanity.

 

Any religion that takes power, will ultimately be detrimental to another religion. Simple enough.

 

Are you saying atheism is a religion?

Because it sounds like you're saying that.

 

It sounds more like you're arguing details here. You know what I meant.

 

how about no?

Would you say that even if a religion whose core values were tolerance, pacifism and respect somehow took power?

A not very thought-through statement on your behalf I'd say.

 

To that, Tang China, Confucians destroying Buddhist monasteries because they threatened their power. Confucians are all about peace, after all Confucius himself wanted to make sure that Zhou (I think) China could become a stable country.

 

Any atheist can walk down the street in America and not fear for his life. He can loudly proclaim his atheism on any street corner and not be disturbed.

Christians cannot say the same in countries like Cuba, North Korea and China, where atheists are in charge.

 

the government should not be "pro-god" or pro-no-god", either would be a bad thing

 

They are? That's news to me, I thought they were all about loyalty, respect and tradition. Besides it's more of an ethic code and philosophy than a religion. The religious part would just be the traditional chinese folk religions and ancestor worship. Anyways, I was thinking of a hypotethical religion.

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atheists couldn't do that in 16 century spain. Are all christians to blame? Are all atheists to blame? No. Stop your silliness now please.

 

All for social harmony, so that there would be no need for fighting. Belief systems work just the same as Religions. They can be just as extreme as any religion when taken to an extreme.

 

the goal of nearly every religion and ideology is ultimately peace and harmony, even nazism. So I guess it's fair to call nazism an ideology of peace?

Anyways, my point was that not all religions are the same and that only the ones whose core values aren't pacfism etc are likely to be opressive. It's like Sam Harris said. That if you have a muslim and he gets more hardocre believing, you should be a bit afraid because the core values of Islam isn't peace and understanding, but if you have a jianist you should be worried for his own safety if he gets extreme because he'll be spending so much time avoiding killing even the tinies of animals, because the core values of that religion truly is peace and pacifism.

I might be wrong on islam and jianism in this case but that's the not the point.

 

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Yah, the big-time Communists killed millions, more than likely. Castro? Not so much; he preferred to exile or ransom people - & he (Cuba) needed the income. Yah, Cuba may have outlawed Christmas. But then, so did the Puritans. They weren't all that fond of birthdays, either, as I recall.

I nearly fell over laughing the first time I saw a photo of the recreation of Jamestown Village, I think it was. It was supposedly Christmas, & someone (the BBB/Chamber of Commerce/Dept. of Tourism, bless their hearts) had gone to the trouble of putting up big wreaths on the windows, with (handmade, I'm sure) real candles behind, holly all over, yadda yadda yadda. Very pretty, except that the concept was completely ahistorical. The Puritans were quite serious; if it wasn't in the Bible, then it never happened - as far as Christianity was concerned.

Granted that the dyed-in-the-wool hardline Communists were killers. But how many Christians died at the hands of atheist governments vs. how many died at the hands of their not-so-fellow believers? I think more Christians died @ the hands of their more-or-less fellow believers than @ the hands of the declared enemies of belief.

I'll have to check & see.

 

My country's government was atheist controlled for the last 3 years.

The sky didn't fall.