Of course. It goes against all the principles of democracy to stage a coup and incarcerate the elected government. However, the UN Secretary General is SLOW in issuing this statement. It is the pressure from pro-democracy demonstrators in Egypt which has caused him to act. That isn't good enough. He should have put the moral and legal position from the outset. There is too much US of AIPAC influence at the UN, far, far too much. We are in a situation wherein the world cannot function according to democratic principles because of American interests. That's not the spirit of the United Nations . There has to be reform.
Most Egyptians don't agree Moon King Farouk was ousted and so was Mubarak and their governments in coups It is the people who give a leader legitimacy and it is the peoples right to take away that legitimacy according to Islam Egyptians don't want to support a movement whose supreme leader says from it's loudspeakers at Raba'a that 'we will burn Egypt to dust and collapse the whole country if Morsi is not brought back as leader' This is what they are threatening This is how mad they are and I have no doubt they would if they have the chance and we will no longer allow that chance to happen They MUST now GO!! The UN is useless I don't think anyone would disagree with that What Ban ki Moon says means zero
Morsi has been arrested now and charged with working with Hamas to release the Wadi Natrun prisoners in Mubaraks ouster. These were the prisoners who were scattering all over and some ended up surrendering at gate at my own compound where we handed them to army! Many thugs and murderers are still free and causing trouble because of this. Samira Ibrahim one of the activists in the SCAF virginity tests case is out supporting the Army call today
How would you know without holding an election ? Then, having held one, the response of the losers would be to stage another coup ? As it stands, Egyptian democracy is a standing joke. It's ONLY hope is to free Morsi and his parliament and to test the Egyptian people through the ballot box. That's what should have happened in the first place and now you have a great shame to live down.
The first rule in a successful revolution is to kill all of the previous leaders. The second rule in an unsuccessful revolution is to kill all of the rebels. The third rule is not to pay any attention to outsiders who whine about the first two rules.
I had sympathy for you at the beginning, led a bit by your stance, a poster from another forum's stance and my own dislike of Islamists. It is questionable how many support the coup. Morsi won the election and from the very beginning there were people who did not support the democratic result. I had no support for them because he was democratically elected but allowed myself to be open to the coup simply because of my dislike of al qaeda types and Morsi's support for people going to fight in Syria. However from the very beginning I said that arresting Morsi and that sort of thing would come to no good. The only possible way it could have worked would have been if it really had been the will of the people and it was done quickly and everyone started again. The original protestors as I understood it did not want a coup. Now it is looking to me that this is a sectarian thing and much as I do not like any support for salafi's, in a democracy all different positions are reflected. Now I am aware that this is why there is criticism of Morsi. However to remove him and do the same towards him is just making democracy laughable. Who is going to trust and think it is worth voting in Egypt when their vote counts for nothing? You confuse Islam and Democracy. Do you want an Islamic State or a democracy? I suspect the charges against Morsi are trumped up despite him not being a good leader - we all suffer from them. If Egypt had something new in mind as I at first imagined then I would have been open to this. For instance if she had stayed just with protest and had something near the number of signatures she said. If she had wanted a different kind of democracy - more immediate, more direct and had not started a purge on Morsi and his supporters I would have had some hope for you. As it looks now, it looks like you were manipulated to protest and manipulated into a coup. How you are going to get yourself out of that I do not know. We are already hearing people from Mubarak's time predominate in high positions. The Saudi's are delighted believing this is the end of democracy in Egypt and the ME will soon be back to full autocratic rule. I think you have lost it Abu Well then who are you left with - US/Saudi world domination left unchecked?
Morsi investigated for bein' a Hamas spy... Ousted Egyptian president Morsi accused of spying for Hamas Friday 26th July, 2013 - Just as the clamour for his immediate release was growing louder the world over, Egyptian state media reported Friday that former president Mohamed Morsi has been arrested and formally charged with espionage and conspiring with Palestinian militant group Hamas. See also: In Egypt bloodshed, dozens of Morsi backers killed July 27, 2013 - — Security forces and armed men clashed with supporters of Egypt's ousted president early Saturday, killing at least 65 people in mayhem that underscored an increasingly heavy hand against protests demanding Mohammed Morsi's return to office.
Not when an individual or group grants itself dictatorial power. When that happens, the people have a right and a duty to overthrow that individual or group. The obligatory anti-Semitic Protocols parrotry...
BUT ........................ On paper all that you say is true but this experiment of Egypt dipping its toes into the waters of democracy is not 'on paper'. There are times in life when we do tear up the rule book and start again, we know of the corruptions and the interferences of 'the West' but it seams to me and many others that this democracy was on its' way to Hell and without the strong evolved structures that we have; and even now our own democracies are themselves in grave danger; there was nothing to halt its' falling back into an even worse dictator ship that the one just deposed. Egypt needs some space and time, with it, maybe they will teach us something in the end too about democracy. It is what it is now ..................... they can only go forward we can only hope that the second round is more careful.
The UN should mediate and should not take sides, go inside Egypt as a non partisan entity (as what it should be) and conduct a referendum, then let's see if Morsi does have the rights, but it's too late now, a declaration has been made.
Must have said that over drinks between sessions of the assembly. Seriously is there any more ineffective organisation in the history of humanity than the UN. Just sit down and shut your mouth Banki (and yes I mistyped that on purpose) and sip your champagne and continue to forget the rest of the world. Or if you are that worried get of your backside, put the peacekeepers under your command into the field and get on with restoring order. Hasn't got the balls to make a decisoon without the US say so so go back to what ever soirere you were hosting and let the Egyptians work it out themsleves, I mean they are only Arabs who have no oil so who cares, am I right George W and Dick? Gee and politicians and diplomats wonder why we think less of them than car salesmen!
