Nazi murderers of Jews still walking around USA

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  1. Bishadi

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    Truth unveils.

    For example:
    The amarna tablet prove that israel/palestine/canaan/syria was all under egyptian governance, during the period of an exodus. There exodus of judaism is simply the schism to monotheim by pharoah. The written word, (semitic language; akkadian), the desert travel, the temple (amarna), holy of holies, no pork, circumcision, commands, rituals and especially the lineage, and histories of.

    The basis of judaism from the lineage pursuits/adherance, the pursuit of the 'name of god' and to the temple requirement, is of egyptian foundations.

    and By me (it's a start).

    Truth destroys ignorance and nothing can stop it.




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  2. Bishadi

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    i can agree
    big difference. A palestinian could be a wolverine (orphaned by invaders).
     
  3. snakestretcher

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    The court which instigated fraud proceedings against him for a start. He passed himself off as a qualified engineer for financial gain . He holds zero engineering qualifications.
    He passes himself off as an expert in forensics. He holds zero forensic science qualifications but, evidently, knowledge of and experience in the scientific method is irrelevant as far as you're concerned.
    Then there's this:http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/24/us/an-expert-on-executions-is-charged-with-fraud.html
     
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    You must like the dividing nature of nazis.
    All of mankind came from the old geneology.

    Only bigots divide people based on religious beliefs. It's kind of like a pharaoh or king believng that they are better than you by birth. Do you believe that any living human beings, now or before are better than you based on being born?

    I would like to know, if anyone thinks that another is better than you?


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    Its a story generously sprinkled with fiction/ falsified evidence/ + post war propaganda.

    However , if you happy to believe the whole story , that's O K by me , but fer fks sake don't except everyone else - apart from yr like-minded - to keep swallowing + never questioning /doubting the whole story.


    I use to believe as you do , everything my parents' generation believed but I later found cause to question and doubt some of it.
    It did not happen as the story tellers say it happened . (wink)

    It ain't necessarily so
    De t'ings dat yo' li'ble
    Te read in de Holocost Bible,
    It ain't necessarily so.


    No - It ain't nece - it -ain't nece - - Ain't nece-ain't nece
    --- , it Ain't necessarily ... so


    Wadooooo..

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    A misdemeanor .................... I used to know Mining Engineers, they had no degrees they had gone into the big mining equipment companies as kids and learned on the job, every one knew this, they were sales men actually and yet that was their title Mining Engineer..............it was and as far as I know still is commonly accepted as correct.


    It is the same in many spheres, especially the so called scientific ones, Big Pharma in particular.Immunologists for eg, of all levels often have started as lab tecs and never gone to Uni and only know their particular part of the process and yet they are give grand titles, fraud you call it? mmmmm go take it up with every large company in the World.

    Trumped up charges and by whom I wonder.
     
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    Thanks again comrad Face for the Mischling data.

    But, it does not explain how the supposedly anti-Jewish Nazi party had "prominent party members" who were "Jews" in its ranks.

    Nor does your great explanation cover this special court that declared those Nazi Party members to be German.
    Looks like we are talking about 2 different things, the Mischling exemption certificate and a court judgment declaring German racial identity.

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    the sad thing is that you are actually serious.



    I agree its a very difficult question to answer. OTOH, your "revisionist" numbers have been thoroughly debunked. THOROUGHLY. I have given you one source of that debunking. I can provide you with at least half a dozen that deal directly with graf/mottogono crock.

    When one starts from the premise that the numbers are wildly exaggerated, then the argument you develop is in complete support of that premise. Especially when you are jew hating nazi apologists that are desperate to dismiss the facts.



    A hoax ?

    The Holocaust Hoax

    There has been no response from the revisionist community to the above.

    If jew haters and nazi apologists who simply dimiss such a heinous crime and accuse the world of perpetrating what would be the largest conspiracy in history, all with lies, misrepresentations, cherry picking, wild accusations and unreal rejection of actual facts, get occasionally roughed up, its just a natural result of being so slimy.

    What I find amusing, is you take this reaction to mean that these hate mongers getting their own back is "evidence" they were right.
    Of course given the criteria for evidence that is evinced in the denialst community, it isn't surprising.

    Now that you've flogged the fun with numbers nonsense I suppose it won't take long before you introduce the hilarious chemical "evidence" which for a while was the "lead with the chin" evidence of the denialist community.
     
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    Thanks Jonsa for your supporting argument for the reality of the Holocaust.
    A lot of people, see problems in the data and testimony about the Holocaust which raises doubts, this is understandable.

    But folks that try to shoot down the whole thing because of problems with complex and confusing data, are going too far.

    I think more research should be conducted towards who carried out the Holocaust and why.
     
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    Absolute (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nonsense he is a self described engineer, he has zero engineering qualifications whatsoever, the assertion that a ba BA in history gives one sufficient math and science skills to make technical claims regarding gas chambers (or anything else) is insane, but this is the quality of "expertise" one has come to expect from the negationists.
     
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    lmfao, um no I use primary sources and census data for the most part, the testimonies of the high ranking Nazi's Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark who were never charged with any crime, came forward of their own volition, and to this day have not recanted are not "Zionist" sources.

    The Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgruppen are not "Zionist Sources."

    The comparative World Almanac Census data for 1938 and 1949 are not "Zionist Sources".

    The death certificates and registration certificates from Auschwitz are not "Zionist Sources".

    The Jager Report is not a "Zionist source."

    The document regarding cremation capacity at Auschwitz is not a "Zionist source."

    The Wannsee Conference transcripts confirmed by Eichmann as authentic outlining the Final Solution is not a "Zionist Source."

    Himmler's Posen Speeches confirming that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination not deportation are not "Zionist sources".

    And the mass graves found at Belzec are sure as hell not "Zionist sources".

    I deal in historical facts not classic anti-Semitic cliches.

    A) The Nizkor link was citing an article which originally appeared in the New Republic which (holy (*)(*)(*)(*)) actually lists statistics with regards to Jewish involvement in the post war Soviet internment camps, you are simply terrible at this.

    B) You have been provided the statistical evidence showing that Jews were an extreme minority both within the Communist party itself, as well as, the upper Echelons of the Party elite as per usual you have jack and (*)(*)(*)(*) to offer as a valid rebuttal to actual facts and evidence.
     
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    Cool!!
     
  15. Face. Your

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    You have been provided the clear cut evidence that Jews were a minority in the party elite and the regular party itself, your "rebuttal" of an article offers absolutely 0 statistical evidence to back your debunked assertion that Jews somehow played a disproportionate roll in Soviet atrocities and to the contrary it lists but a single Jew aside from Lenin IE Yagoda who point of fact was killed during the Stalin purges himself (Stalin being responsible for the vast majority of mass murder under the Bolsheviks, and a non-Jew).


    On the eve of the February Revolution, in 1917, the Bolshevik party had about 10,000 members, of whom 364 were ethnic Jews.[9][15] Between 1917 and 1919, Jewish Bolshevik party leaders included Grigory Zinoviev, Moisei Uritsky, Lev Kamenev, Yakov Sverdlov, Grigory Sokolnikov, and Leon Trotsky. Lev Kamenev was of mixed ethnic Russian and Jewish parentage.[16][17] Trotsky was also a member (or "Narkom") of the ruling Council of People's Commissars.[18] Among the 23 Narkoms between 1923 and 1930, five were Jewish.[16]

    Conditions in Russia (1924) A Census - Bolsheviks by Ethnicity
    According to the 1922 party census, there were 19,564 Jewish Bolsheviks, comprising 5.21% of the total.[16] Jews made up 7.1% of members who had joined before October 1917.[18]

    Among members of the Central Executive Committee of the Congress of Soviets in 1929, there were 402 ethnic Russians, 95 Ukrainians, 55 Jews, 26 Latvians, 13 Poles, and 12 Germans – Jewish representation had declined from 60 members in 1927.[19] With regards to Jewish representation in the ruling Politburo, it waned very rapidly starting in 1918. It began with the assassination of Moisei Uritsky, the most radical member of the Politburo, in August 1918. Then Yakov Sverdlov died of disease in March 1919 and Sokolnikov was shunted aside. Three years later in 1922, Jewish members in the Central Committee, the Politburo's new name, had shrunk to a minority of three: Trotsky, Zinoviev and Kamenev. Eventually they were all physically eliminated by Joseph Stalin: Zinoviev and Kamenev in 1936 and Trotsky in 1940.

    In the 1920s, of the 417 members of the Central Executive Committee, the party Central Committee, the Presidium of the Executive of the Soviets of the USSR and the Russian Republic, the People's Commissars, 6% were ethnic Jews


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Bolshevism#Jewish_involvement_in_Russian_Communism

    Of Soviet run camps only 1.7% of the 25,600 members of the Office of State Security running the camps were Jews:

    For we know how many Jews were in the Office of State Security. According to a
    tabulation of November 21, 1945, by Boleslaw Bierut, then President of Poland,
    the Office of State Security had 25,600 members, of whom 438 were Jews. 438!
    Not Sack's 75 percent, but 1.7 percent of its members were Jewish. There were
    sixty-seven Jews among the 500 people in leading positions. Moreover, the
    Polish historiographical literature shows that those Jews who were in the
    Office of State Security did not act as Jews but as Polish Communists (many of
    them had scarcely any attachment to their Jewishness), and did not act in a
    manner different from the 25,000 non-Jewish Polish Security officers. Finally,
    the Office of State Security was not ultimately run by Jewish Poles or non-
    Jewish Poles. It was run by the Soviets.


    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/sack.john/press/goldhagen-on-sack.19931223
     
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    So the denialists continue to deny, despite mountains of prima facie evidence. They ignore suggestions to research the Nazi archive at Bad Arolsen (too busy, apparently), and they go silent when presented with incontrovertible facts including testimony from the Nazi perpetrators themselves. So what conclusion can we reach from this? You'd be forgiven for including the words 'anti-Semite' and 'dishonest' when applied to them.
    I've never come across a more devious bunch. Except, perhaps, the Nazis themselves...
    The most damning evidence against them is their apparent inability to admit that perhaps they might be mistaken. Never once have I heard a denialist ever consider re-examining their evidence-everything is a Zionist plot, a conspiracy, a set-up-you name it.

    Anyone with even a shred of honesty will admit that he can be mistaken, but when it comes to the Holocaust these sheep know absolutely everything-and it's all factual with no room for error. None.
    You'd have to conclude that they actually are not all that bright.
     
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    they deny the Holocaust so that a new one can be perpetrated.

    this time finishing the job.
     
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    I wouldn't go quite that far; but someone suggested that conspiracy nuts actually are-nuts. Clinically nuts. I'll go with that given the evidence so far.
     
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    who would have thought that the Nazis would go so far as to industrialized mass-murder?

    no one, until it actually happened.

    there are clearly many anti-Semites on this planet who would love to see every Jew on Earth shot dead.
     
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    If there is a next time, they jews will not go placidly into that good night. Their rage will take many if not all of the attempted exterminators with them.
     
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    It's just another in a long list of conspiracy theories IE truthers and moon land nutters, but the holocaust deniers are far more ghoulish and in most cases have an ulterior motive IE anti-Semitism and fascist sympathies.
     
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    no, most Jews in the USA are just as complacent and trusting of govt. as they were in Europe.

    just look at how many Jews hate gun ownership.
     
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    You have been provided a litany of forensic evidence, census data, and credible eyewitness sources, you have yet to offer a valid rebuttal except for long debunked claims; such as, the World Almanac and 4 million Auschwitz gambits. I have provided a detailed rebuttal to every single point that the laughable article you spammed all over the thread in post 505 amongst others. Denier claims do not even stand up to a modicum of scrutiny.
     
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    lol if relying on legitimate sources with actual credentials within the fields upon which they claim expertise is "very American," then I guess I'm proud to be an American.

    Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), every single claim in the long debunked Leuchter Report has been thoroughly refuted:

    http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/leuchter/

    They are not questionable, it is a FACT that the World Almanac figure for 1948 was from 1938 estimates, it is a FACT that the first new census was from 1949, it is a FACT that the 1949 census shows a drop of 5.5 million in the world Jewish population, and it is a fact that the source for the NYT's article was the World Almanac's 1948 figure which was based on the 1938 census data.

    It is a fact that not a single academic who has researched the holocaust and came to the 5-6 million total Jewish deaths incorporated the Soviet figure of 4 million dead at Auschwitz into their findings.

    You can question proven facts all you want, but that does not change the reality that they are proven facts and does nothing but diminish your already tarnished reputation.
     
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    lol the only people who are swayed by your arguments are already anti-Semites, your laughable assertions have done nothing except bring people who normally disagree with each other on every other topic to join together in order to debunk your nonsense and laugh at your delusional grandstanding.
     
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