How can anyone honestly oppose the American Judeo-Christian Capitalist model?

Paul says: "money is the root of all evil"

 

Say What?

1 Timothy 6:9-12 ESV
But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs. But as for you, O man of God, flee these things. Pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, steadfastness, gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith. Take hold of the eternal life to which you were called and about which you made the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

1 Timothy 6:17-19 ESV
As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

Acts 4:34-35 ESV
There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need.


Matthew 6:24 ESV
“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Luke 12:33 ESV
Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.

James 5:1-6 ESV
Come now, you rich, weep and howl for the miseries that are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have corroded, and their corrosion will be evidence against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure in the last days. Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in self-indulgence. You have fattened your hearts in a day of slaughter. ...

Hebrews 13:5 ESV
Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Luke 16:19-31 ESV
“There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. ...

Luke 6:20-21 ESV
And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied. “Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh.

Mark 10:17-25 ESV
17 And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not murder, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and mother.’” 20 And he said to him, “Teacher, all these I have kept from my youth.” 21 And Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 Disheartened by the saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

23 And Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How difficult it will be for those who have wealth to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were amazed at his words. But Jesus said to them again, “Children, how difficult it is to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

 

hahaha. Well played.

Felons overwhelmingly tend to vote Democrat, guess even secular sheep know their flock.

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These are the same people who brought about the dark ages. These are the enlightened ones? Not the church that helped bring about the Renaissance?

 

^Bingo!

 

I hope you meant "secular shepherds"...because sheep aren't smart enough to know they're part of a flock.

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Any model that allows for someone to become a billionaire by selling staples of a diet can be questioned.

I am not talking about farmers that grow wheat, processors who make flower, companies that bake the bread, even the transports who haul it all, I am talking about the fact that bread and other staples can be sold a huge mark ups to make owners of megamarts billionaires might be something we can tweak a little. Especially as family farmers are dying off in favor of big agribusiness.

 

Judeo-Christian? LOL

 

I don't think anyone opposes that model in their heart of hearts, but they're psychological driven by issues like fear, hate, etc. which keeps them from knowing what they know in their heart of hearts.

No one can ignore that fact that Christian countries or countries with huge Christian influence are almost always the ones who have succeeded to a greater degree. What other religion adheres to an infinite and powerfully influencing God who means that you can accomplish whatever you want to, and that the only true key needed is love?

That's why I don't think Christians (and a lot of the right is Christians) can really hate blacks. Their entire religion is based on NOT hating. Some folks could get very confused of course. But no one who really gets the story of Christ Jesus can actually hate blacks or anyone else. Not even "infidels".

 

I was obviously referring to the time before that.

Dark ages, what dark ages? You mean when the authoritarian bloated bureaucracy that was Rome was finally replaced? A tip for anyone who wishes to learn more about and understand history: There are no dark ages or barbarians, atleast not in the way people commonly think of it.

Perhaps it is of interest to you that the germanic tribes were already christian during the 'dark ages', and that the sacker of Rome himself, Alaric I of the visigoths, was a christian. Arian more specifically.

The peoples in europe had morals before christianity, and when christianity came along it melted into already existing morals and perhaps created some new ones. My point is that these values don't stem from christianity.

 

Is that why all the lefties think they are individuals when they really just all want to just grow government anyway they can?

 

Europeans arent christians. Christianity is just a trend amongst them like masons or buddhist europeans, they are and always have been pagans. I'll concede that a few try to be, like 0.01 % of them, maybe some of those actually are but this whole lie about christ being a white man convinced the masses that maybe they can be christian. Its all deception I mean how many here know anyone who claims to be a [european] christian? How easy is it to prove to them they are pagan??

 

well, go ahead and prove it.

 

lololol!!!!!!!

Europeans have been Christians for more than 1,700 years.

 

Capitalism is in contradiction to Christianity.

Whoops.

 

I don't know any lefties who think that, and I don't either.....but I do know plenty of righties who say lefties think that.

 

How about a link?

 

Good point, I have never known an individualist lefter either. Maybe it is the right projecting individuality on them. Good call.

 

America is not a theocracy....OOPS.

 

Please cite the great works of germanic moral philosophy that people have read for the last couple hundred years. We can go back a thousand if you want. Where was the moral philosophy we follow coming from?

Who did more, the Visigoths or the Venetians? Were the Medici a church going clan? Who was more successful in spreading values? etc.. The claim you are making is similar to Vikings discovering America. If you have to look it up and research it, it didn't matter a bit. It is the popular literature that moves a culture. We are not descendants of the germanic tribes, we are descendants of western culture born during the renaissance and the enlightenment. That western culture has its moral philosophy deeply rooted in Christianity. It is what united Western Culture after all. Otherwise you have a splintered mess really between competing ideologies over there.

 

How can anyone thing that our model has anything to do with Judeo-Christianity?

 

How about gays or transgenders or women who don't carry their pregnancy full term?

 

Are you freaking kidding me?! Are you seriously unaware of the fact that germanic peoples -and that includes angles and saxons- have been pagan?

 

You've heard of Madison Avenue, correct? You combine as many nice sounding words as it takes to make the product fly off the shelves. It's why you will never hear sh*t and toothpaste in the same commercial.

 

You're driving away from the main point. There need not be any great work of germanic moral philosophy for my points to be valid. My point is that the germanic peoples knew that theft and murder was wrong before they became christian, and that our values stem mostly from germanics, which in turn stems from just common humanity. The current moral philosophy of the west -if there is such a thing- is one based on many things, and one of those is germanic tradition.

That's kind of a silly somparison though, and to this discussion, also pointless. I'm not going to try to compare migration period germanic tribes to medievial italian city-states, that's just silly.

What's up with the hate of your germanic heritage? Are you ashamed of it or something? It's a blatant denial of reality, and for what reason I do not understand. Look at christmas, look at your language, look at the names of the days, they're all germanic.

 

You are dodging mine.

Where do we get our culture from? Books, art, music, literature right? (Back then at least?) Who was writing those things, what moral philosophy did the draw upon? etc.. I am not saying Christians invented the stuff, the Rig Veda was around for some time. I am saying, Christianity was the mover for western moral thought. Still is. I can point to Acquinas, I can point to Locke, I can point to Mills, I can point to Jefferson's struggles with his faith and his personal bible and interpretation of christian moral philosophy. Can you do the same? If not, then these tribesmen secular philosophy didnt form western culture.