Jesus; an habitual liar.

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, "Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,' it will happen. "And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive." (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)



2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)



3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)



4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, 'Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)



5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)



6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)



7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)



It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)



9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

 

Actually, Jesus didnt write the literature.

Jesus wasnt christ, nor would i believe him to be the liar.

It is like idiots claiming that Einstein's 'relativity' is the bomb but he worked until dead, knowing it was incomplete or even the morons that claim Newton defined gravity, when he never knew what gravity was.

People after the contributer(s) works are the liars, in all three examples.

Basic

 

True enough. I reckon Yeshuah was verballed. Jeez have a look at the Council of Trent to get an idea of what happened after Christianity was established.

 

If what you are suggesting is everything written in the bible or religious texts are always miss-quoted or not true, then that suggest the Christian religion is all a lie.

If its therefore all based on a lie; miss-quoted and non-truth; then there is no factual evidence to support any truth was told concerning God - its all fiction.

You cannot logically say some parts of the story have been miss-quoted and not represented truthfully, but some parts have been, without proof.

 

Some things in the bible are obviously not true; noahs ark, say.
Other things are approximately correct.
In some you can say how approximate; the value of pi derived from Kings, say. In others you can only guess how approximate.

No news report of today is one hundred percent complete and accurate.

You cannot logically argue that any of the bible is 100%.

A good start would be to look at the "fish tales" like, say, the miracle of making lots of fish, walking on water, daemons into swine, etc.

I imagine the real "Jesus" would be surprised by the stories told about him.

 

??????????

 

He wasnt a liar but you look like an idiot to me , because you judge him according to books written on behalf of him by others.

 

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The ONLY way this makes sense is recognizing that Christ personified Truth, the ideal.

Christians have perverted the gospels, claiming that Christ personified Love.

Once one correctly understands that faith in Truth can move mountains, things Jesus said makes sense, like...

Mat 18:20
For where two or three are gathered together in my name (Truth: [ John 14:6]), there am I, (Truth), in the midst of them.

 

Rev. 8:8 And (the Sociological Mass Group), the second angel, (that collective body of a massive Christian fellowship), sounded, and as it were a great mountain, (The New Testament), burning with fire (of God: [Matt 3:12]) was cast (in its canonization of 382 AD) into the sea (of the Gentiles):
and the third part (the Pagan, not Jew or Christian parts), of the sea (the world of the Gentiles), became (Christians by decree in 380AD, symbolized by) blood (of a mandatory Eucharist, blood shed in religious conversion to the Cross);

Rev. 8:9 And the third part of the creatures, (i.e.; the pagan Temples and congregations), which were in the sea (of the Gentiles), and had life, (until Christianity appeared), died; and, (in both the Roman Empire and Arabia), the third part of the ships, (the ancient Pagan doctrines, myths, and philosophies), were destroyed (leaving only the Judeao-Christians and Islam of 616-666AD).

 

What kind of idiot takes those books as 'gospel"?

i bet he'd be pissed, the way people made up stories about him, take him as having been god, and, worse, totally reversed what he was trying to do.

I mean, here is a guy wants to bring back a strict reading of the old ways, kind of like a taliban, and then they make him (after he is safely out of the way a few decades) into the founder of a new religion, mainly for the Romans, and doing away with most of the old law he wanted to restore.

 

I don't think the OP has really prayed hard enough to see that these Gospel verses are the Gospel truth. If you pray hard enough, with enough faith, your prayer WILL be answered.

I have only done this TWICE in my entire 48 years of being a Christian, and in BOTH cases where I THREW MYSELF AT GOD'S FEET my prayers were answered.

However, most of my prayers, typically, are lukewarm and without much conviction. Jesus never promised he would answer THOSE kind of prayers.

 

You are on to something there, if you can just grasp what it is.

I asked a Mormon one time, how he could believe such a ridiculous story as the gold book thing. He was quite candid; said he had doubts, so he prayed, for days, until he got his Answer. (all true, the book, all true)

The Red Indian, fasting and chanting on a hill top, on his Vision Quest.

You can be sure that sooner or later, he'd get his Message.

And so on...

Its all in your head!

 

You think you're clever, but there is a foolishness in your cleverness, you mock what you do not understand.

 

Ha. I understand it all to well, and you lack the capacity to admit it to yourself.

I notice you can say "foolilsh" but there's nothing you an point to.

Im not "mocking" anything. You said that coz you goddists are always hoping for it, of course, your "bible" says you gain points by being "mocked" for your faith.

So wrong on both; I understand it better than you do, and Im wasnt mocking. Why bother to mock you? You do it for yourself beyond anything I might think to add to.

You got it right about clever-I surely am more so than you- even if its damning with faint praise to say so. You do not present as an educated person, let alone wise. Why would anyone take yous seriously when you post so much gibberish that you make up
I find no need to make things up. Why do you?

There was tho, no "cleverness" in my comments about what one will get from long and "fervent" prayer.
I simply described a real phenomenon. For foolish, mistaking how the human mind reacts to stress as being Word from God, is too hilarious.

 

If you are going to boast about how you are smarter and better educated than me, you should at least use proper spelling and punctuation while doing so.

 

a guy as sensitive to mockery as you should of knowed why i dont bother in your case

talking about spelling? honestly. so why do you go off on other things than the topic?

why do you misdirect with irrelevancies when challenged?
as in, why do you find it necessary or desirable to make things up?

 

The supposed success of prayer is probably confirmation bias. But don't let that stop anyone praying, it can't hurt, just as long as you don't use it as the only strategy for whatever ails you or someone else you care about.

 

So you're saying the NT is a ghost written autobiography?

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It all makes sense now...

 

Confirmation bias is part of it.
Regardless of how you slice it, its all in their heads.
But the thread is dead anyway.
Our hero has departed, to start another of his psychological projection-threads.

 

Don't see any lie there. More like a pep talk.

If you don't try you are sure to succeed eh? At nothing.

How true are the prayers to move rocks and mountains if the person praying never tries to do it them self?

Besides which all of this is supposed to be after a soul accepts the teachings. This is not about grace. So why we want to do something makes a difference as to the outcome once asked for. Jesus was all about intentions.

I am not religious but attacking Jesus is completely asinine.

 

Sorry to burst your delusional bubble, but anything that treats me like garbage, doesn’t deserve my respect or my love.

 

Did Jesus tell you this? Look at it this way. Did this Jesus write anything? Anything at all? The answer to that is NO. Basically "hearsay" .

 

I think sometimes it would be more beneficial for the thread to be worked out until it resolves something. But I fear you are quite correct. We shall find ourselves embroiled for a brief time elsewhere.

 

Then why call Jesus an habitual liar.