As Christianity wanes, immoral behavior increases

Again, if you want to play that game, how about the 100,000,000 victims of your 'faith'? Dinesh D'Souza estimates the deaths caused by Christian rulers over a 500 year period amount to only 1% of the deaths caused by communists such as Stalin and Mao in the space of a few decades. "500 years after the Inquisition, we are still talking about it, but less than two decades after the collapse of 'godless Communism', there is an eerie silence about the mass graves of the Soviet Gulag. Why the abscence of accountability? Does atheism mean never having to say you are sorry?"

You are statistically far safer in a Christian nation than an atheist one.

What is anti-reason is pretending Islam and Christianity are somehow related, making me responsible for jihad. It's like saying because you and the jihadists have two hands and feet, you're the same. As Stagnant would say, do you not understand corelation?

 

"As the founder of the Soviet state, Lenin, put it:
Religion is the opium of the people: this saying of Marx is the cornerstone of the entire ideology of Marxism about religion. All modern religions and churches, all and of every kind of religious organizations are always considered by Marxism as the organs of bourgeois reaction, used for the protection of the exploitation and the stupefaction of the working class.[5]
Marxism-Leninism advocates the suppression and ultimately the disappearance of religious beliefs, considering them to be "unscientific" and "superstitious".

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Marxism-Leninism is certainly a denomination of atheism.

 

What, you mean like blaming atheism for something done by communists? You're right, it's a poor attitude, and we should both denounce it.

It's funny because that word obviously does not mean what you think it means. Maybe you should look it up to find out why you're wrong? Just a thought.

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I'll take that as an admission that you are totally unable to answer my point.

 

Right, and everything Hitler did was legal too. Whatever......

He did.

"Raised in the Georgian Orthodox faith, Stalin became an atheist. He followed the position that religion was an opiate that needed to be removed in order to construct the ideal communist society. His government promoted atheism through special atheistic education in schools, anti-religious propaganda, the antireligious work of public institutions (Society of the Godless), discriminatory laws, and a terror campaign against religious believers. By the late 1930s it had become dangerous to be publicly associated with religion.[108]
Stalin's role in the fortunes of the Russian Orthodox Church is complex. Continuous persecution in the 1930s resulted in its near-extinction as a public institution: by 1939, active parishes numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938.[109][110] During World War II, the Church was allowed a revival as a patriotic organization, and thousands of parishes were reactivated until a further round of suppression during Khrushchev's rule. The Russian Orthodox Church Synod's recognition of the Soviet government and of Stalin personally led to a schism with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia.
Just days before Stalin's death, certain religious sects were outlawed and persecuted. Many religions popular in ethnic regions of the Soviet Union, including the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Catholic Churches, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism underwent ordeals similar to that which the Orthodox churches in other parts of the country suffered: thousands of monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed."

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Agreed, from now on when the Inquistion is brought up I'll just remind people I'm not catholic.

And you would be wrong again.

 

What teaching of Jesus were 'Christian' wrongdoers following?

 

...Ouch. You really don't know what a correlation is. That is not a correlation. That is an association. They are two entirely different beasts (although you are very much correct in pointing out that trying to guilt Cristianity by pointing to Islam is one massive guilt by association fallacy). A correlation describes a fairly specific trend between two datasets.

 

Very well then, answer it: what teaching of atheism (not communism!) were wrongdoers following?

 

None. Now, you answer my question, please.

BTW, as much as it would be nice if Christian religions were solely about following the words of Christ, they most definitely aren't.

 

You're not trying to be serious with this, are you?

Crusades, Jihad.. Christianity, Islam, Judaism... They're all quite closely related to one another, actually, and they have historically featured very similar ways of thinking. It also seems true, though, that modern Christians tend to be more peaceful. One thing I would attribute this to is the fact that Christians tend not to control governments anymore, at least not in an official capacity; another thing is the fact that Christianity alone does not control thought in western countries. It is popular, yes, but it also faces competition from non-religion, from science, from other religions, etc.

As long as a petty, jealous religion is not allowed a monopoly over people's minds and the powers of government, it cannot realise its full destructive capacity on a large scale, I would contend.

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For that matter, what is a "teaching" of atheism in the first place? All atheism is in the end is a lack of a theistic belief... by definition... No pantheon, no triune gods, no one god.. Nada. Any "teaching" attached to this would be something separate.

 

Not really, it's a legally sanctioned procedure, and no unborn children were killed, tissue was removed.

It wasn't atheism that killed those people, it was dogma, dogma is the great destroyer of humanity.
Whether it's Christian dogma, Islamic dogma, Communist dogma, Nazi dogma, if you believe in something and don't accept the possibility that you are wrong, you can humanity if that belief tells you to.
You can burn witches, protestants and homosexuals alive, you can slit the throats of infidels, you eliminate the inferior races, you can liquidate the bourgeoisie if you know without doubt that your cause is right....

 

The only reason you think things are becoming more immoral is because the morals people have are not the same as your own.
You have no facts or thinking behind your statement.
Your morals are no more or less moral than anyone elses, saying yours are is arrogant and frankly, bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Yes, I'm sorry you can't understand it.

The Great Leap Forward?

Yes, lots of destruction in the Golden Rule, LOL. What ever destruction you want to quote, it was done contrary to Christ's teachings, and you don't judge a philosophy by its misuse.

What part of athesim would prevent what Stalin did? For that matter how does atheism arrive at any moral system? A dead universe doesn't care. If we are a cosmic accident who cares how you treat your fellow man? There is plenty in Christianity that prohibits what Stalin did, which is why as bad a man as Torquamada was, he was a piker compared to the restraint-less Stalin, who at one point was killing over 30,000 a week.

As far as your shot at the Crusades, as if it was some uniquely terrible thing Jesus told people to do, let me quote Dinesh D'Souza:

"The Crusades were important because they represented a fight for the survival of Europe. Without the Crusades Western civilization might have been completely overrun by the forces of Islam. The Crusades are also seen as a precursor to Europe's voyages of exploration, which inaugurated the modern era. Certainly one can dispute the worthiness of these objectives, and there were expeditions of rape and murder committed during the Crusades that no one can justify. Even so, these rampages do not define the Crusades as a whole. In the context of the history of warfare, there is no warrant for considering the Crusades a world historical crime of any sort. The Christians fought to defend themselves from foreign conquest, while the Muslims fought to continue conquering Christian lands."

 

Spoken like a true moral relativist, which confirms my point that atheist can have no moral standards. Elaborated on here: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/meta-eth.html

 

Still with the tu coques? "The other boys did it worse" isnt a good excuse in the playground, never mind in excusing murder.

Why should anything about atheism stop what Stalin did? He didn't believe in leprechauns either - should something about that belief have influenced his despotism?

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That is the stupidest non-sequitur I've seen in some time. Total and utter unfounded bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You should be ashamed, but its quite clear you have no shame.

 

Yet you probably think the Crusades were all about Jesus.

Are you even capable of reading the link I posted and responding to it, or is name-calling all you've got? I think I know the answer.

 

REALLY???????

Our sexually promiscuous culture that the Feminists/Homosexual Community has foisted upon us in their sexual revolution of 1965 has created an illegitimacy rate of 50% of all babies born and expanded the Single Mother Families to half of all families in America.

Morals refer to rules that prevent behaviors which have bad effects on others and hurts society in general.




It’s a Fact
Here’s why:
85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home. (Source: Fulton County Georgia jail populations, Texas Dept. Of Corrections, 1992).
63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes. (Source: U.S. D.H.H.S., Bureau of the Census).

90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.

85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
(Source: Center for Disease Control).

80% of rapist motivated by displaced anger come from fatherless homes. (Source:
Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14, pp. 403-26).

71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. (Source: National Principals Assoc. Report on the State of High Schools).


These statistics translate to mean that children from fatherless homes are:

5 times more likely to commit suicide
32 times more likely to run away
20 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
14 times more likely to commit rape
9 times more likely to drop out of high school
20 times more likely to end up in prison


Children from fatherless homes are*:

Children from "fatherless families of single mother" homes are*:

• 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
• 4.6 times more likely to commit suicide
• 6.6 times more likely to become teenaged mothers
• 24.3 times more likely to run away
• 15.3 times more likely to have behavioral disorders
• 6.3 times more likely to be in a state-operated institutions
• 10.8 times more likely to commit rape
• 6.6 times more likely to drop out of school
• 15.3 times more likely to end up in prison while a teenage
• 73% of adolescent murderers come from mother only homes
• 6.3 times more likely to be in state operated institutions
Daughters who live in mother only homes are 92% more likely to divorce**

 

The only thing which stops the rise on a dictator is preaching good behavior until every family ahs a natural mother and father, and shame returns as the reward for sexual immorality.
Strong families raise good citizens who will demand the Freedom.

 

It sounds like we need better women.

 

It takes two to tango.

We need better adults, especially those who are paying taxes, going to church, got married BEFORE they had children, graduated HS/college.
They need stop ignoring behaviors in the scanty Dress Code, Movies, TV, inappropriate language, open discussion about sex and condoms, safe sex, homosex, and abortions, etc.
They need to "preach" their own behaviors and educate their kids about the social consequences of sexual promiscuity.
The adults need re-establish Shame as the reward for being sexually aggressive in the open.

Good behavior by good citizens is good for America, and these good people MUST start telling their communities what sexually promiscuous behavior does to their community.

 

We need more sex education in school class- with proper practical workshops. Oral sex lessons should be given by teachers and rimming learned for extra credit.Children who beleive in nonsense like God should be laughed at and have to ear a big badge that says "Ï beleive in fairies'' until they reject Jesus.

The Only allowable religion shall be wicca and everyone will study harry potter. Classes in occult will be mandatory.

Every school and college should have an abortion clinic, obviously parents should never be told about who goes for an abortion.

 

It sounds like some people want to turn America into a theocracy under the control of the Christian Taliban. Before we know it they'll be stoning people in the street for violating one of their religious rules.

BTW, did you know that schools are now teaching sex education to kindergartners?

 

What do any of these facts have to do with homosexuality?
Do you know what happens when gay marriage is legalized in states?
Gay people get married.
Gay people are not magically making fathers leave their families.

 

Spoken as though Christianity, or any religion, or any god, somehow provides an actual moral standard. Tell me, how do you know your god's standards of morality are actually right if you are unable to discern right from wrong without the help of that same god? Aren't you just deciding that his moral standard is right because he tells you it's right?

 

So because he's a moral relativist, all atheists are moral relativists. Does that mean that all Christians are complete (*)(*)(*)(*)ing morons based on Pat Robertson?

 

Some things are worse, some things are better now. But decline of christianity (if there even is one) or sexual freedom is certainly not what caused the bad.