As Christianity wanes, immoral behavior increases

We need to go back to stoning people for wearing clothing made of more than 1 type of fibre.

 

Interesting speech by Charles Colson on the ethical problems retated to this country's rejection of God. Note that when the speech was given, the Justice Dept. convicted 1,150 public officials, the highest number in our history.

http://www.breakpoint.org/features-columns/articles/entry/12/9649

From the speech:

"Professor James Wilson, formerly at Harvard Law School , wrote one of the most telling pieces I’ve ever read, and I refer it in one of my books, Kingdoms in Conflict. He wrote a primer, while he was here at Harvard, about the relationship between spiritual values and crime. It is really interesting.

The prevailing myth is that crime goes up during periods of poverty. Actually, it went down during the 1930s. He found that, during periods of industrialization, it went up as what he called Victorian values began to face. When there was a resurgence of spiritual values, crime went down. He saw a direct correlation. Crime went up whenever spiritual values went down; when spiritual values went up, crime went down."

 

If you'd like to debate instead of just swear, please respond to the link.

http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billcraig/docs/meta-eth.html

 

If you'd like to debate, stop being mathematically illiterate and admit that you were wrong.

 

In part yes, the other part is observation of what happens when God's standards are ignored. In the sexual area for instance when God's intention of sex being between a married man and woman for life is abandoned, we get children raised in broken families with the attendant bad consequences that have already been demonstrated above, AIDS and other STDs, and millions of abortions. Black children raised in intact two-parent families do about as well as their white counterparts.

We now have a huge, expensive, and largely ineffective social services apparatus in place to attempt to do what intact two-parent families are supposed to do.

As our maker, God's standards can be seen as the manual for how we operate best. It is no coincidence that the Judeo-Christian West became the most powerful civilization, and was the birthplace of science and human rights, rather than Hindu or Islamic civilization. Our decline will be in proportion to our abandonment of that Judeo-Christian God. We are seeing this decline already.

 

I don't know if you want to mention that, since 99% of those public officials were professed Christians. Or are you going to break out the No True Scotsman fallacy?

 

What parent don't children need, a mother or father?

 

Cite? I'm wondering since America is about only 80% professed Christian. Look, the decline in respect for God isn't just the rise of professed atheists, but in Christians living hypocritical lives. In ancient Israel during the many apostate times, most of the people would have professed devotion to God, but their actions did not match up.

You mean like atheists do when discussing Stalin? If the founder of my faith said not all who called themselves His followers really were, why can't I?

 

How do you account for people who diverge from your god's standards without having those problems? There are plenty of people who don't get married and manage to raise children without the plague of STDs and broken homes that you mention here. Finland, for instance, has a higher instance of births outside of marriage than the US, yet their AIDS prevalence rate is 1/3rd of ours. It seems weird to ascribe the natural consequences of making poor decisions (such as unprotected sex) to not following the rules laid out by a supreme being.

Did your god create this morality when he created us, or did he just dictate the standard to us?

 

You need me to cite a statistic about the prevalence of Christians in public office? I'm unaware of any non-Judeo-Christians holding public office until the late '90s. Regardless, the stat is incredibly hard to find, so I'm happy to just assume it was on par with the Christian population at the time: 86%. So, 86% of those convicted of corruption were likely professed Christians. Even if you want to say they were leading hypocritical lives, do you have any evidence that they were actually breaking your god's laws? Political corruption includes a whole bunch of things that the Bible doesn't mention.

Because it isn't evidence of anything other than your need to dismiss the Christians that you disagree with because they're inconvenient for your argument. And I'm unaware of any atheists who deny that Stalin was also an atheist.

 

No, I'll happily agree that Jesus would hate a lot of stuff that was and is done in his name. Like I said, for most denominations, being a Christian is unfortunately about more than just the words of Christ.

You'll pardon me if I don't take lectures about "name calling" seriously when they come from someone who just flat out stated "atheist can have no moral standards".

 

Homosexuality is the shock troops for a general promiscuity.

The whole Nation if not the world, is now informed that it is OK to be sexual even with other men.
The point of a sexually prudent culture is "Don't ask, don't tell" the next generation about sex, and "act" like adults may not even be having sexual relations.

The mere mention of sexual things are to be Shameful enough that kids through their adolescence don't even talk about sex or what intercourse is or what private things people do, or what they do or would like to do.

Homosexuals are diametrically opposed to this, and they want everyone to know all about sex, especially their own.

 

Citation? Who exactly claimed that Stalin wasn't a 'true' atheist?

 

He sent his son as the messenger of Truth to tell us that we need examine our behavior because that behavior is responsible for the tearing down of one Golden age of achievement after another as decadence and irresponsibility follow from the Sexual Promiscuity that grows up in their midst.

 

Sen. Jacob Javits would be one of many non-Christians who held office before that. You switched the standard from Christian to Judeo-Christian.

Good enough.

The injuctions to not steal and obey the law would cover all of them.

It is not at all uncommon on these boards (I just saw it on this one) for atheists to say Stalinism was a form of religion since they worshiped Stalin as a god. How do you argue with someone who says that about an officially atheistic nation that severely persecuted all religions?

 

Homosexuality has gone from the love that dare not speak its name to the love that won't shut up. I'd be happy if we gave them civil unions and they quit brainwashing the kids.

 

You are mixing two differnent things, STDs and broken homes. Yes, Finland seems to be different than our inner cities, but I would think that negatives found from broken homes would apply there also. Would you not agree that the optimal situation for kids is living with their mother and father their entire childhood?

When God says don't do something, He often means don't hurt yourself, or others.

I can't say I have an answer for that Burzmali, I'll remain agnostic on it. I don't think an answer to that is an essential of the faith. God has spoken to us through His Word truly, but not exhaustively.

 

So what are you saying is bad about talking about sex?
Are you saying that it is making fathers leave their families?
Why is talking about sex bad?
What statistic is showing you that gay people want everyone to know about their sexuality?
I am gay and I find it that most gay people including myself find it harder to talk about our sexuality because of the people opposed to it and the fear of getting bullied or harassed.

 

You've seriously never heard of anyone being corrupt without actually breaking the law?

I'm not really one of those guys, but I will say this: "atheist" does not mean quite the same things as "non-religious".

 

Exactly...

They are also the hairdressers, fashion designers, interior decorators, entertainers, etc who have keep expressing the effeminate behaviors in public the way the sluts exhibit themselves as invitations.

The power of Shame has always been what controlled the younger generation is regard to their sexual behaviors, but the nation is now shameless, the language used is OK and encouraged, and kids are raised in a culture seeped in the issues of condoms, Safe Sex, abortion, Gay marriage, etc.

They are expected now to wait until around age 26 to marry, which is 14 years after puberty and longer than their total school experience.
In those 14 years they swim and sink with their peers as the trade sex for whatever amongst themselves.

 

No, I am saying that 14 years (between puberty and marriage), seeped in a culture which encourages (if not requires) young people to sexual promiscuous, without Shame, creates illegitimate babies in spite of the Sex Education (for the forty years since Wade VS Roe in 1972) that the Liberals recommended as a cure all.

 

Don't talk about.
That is our complaint.

Don't tell or telegraph to kids what you do sexually whether you are Straight or Gay.

It is not their business nor anyone else's.

 

No one does...

 

I find it bizarre that you think there's any significant number of people who do this. I'm a parent and it just doesn't happen.

Does.

Not.

Happen.

 

I love how you find new ways to proclaim your ignorance. A never-ending font of creativity.
Gay does not equal effeminate. Was Rock Hudson your idea of an effeminate queen? You know absolutely nothing about gay culture.
People are not "seeped" (sic) in anything. They are "steeped".
Every post gives us more and more reasons to reject your arguments.

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Where would you like children to learn about sexuality in lieu of their parents?