How to put an end to poverty

Name one corporation that gets its money by force, other then those that get their money from government. Just one, don't dodge.

Communist dribble. Should the state profit from their work then? The ruling class? Why can't the worker decide where they want to work freely?

Why do they owe you anything? What have you done for them to deserve a debt to be repaid?

 

Too big to fail corporations are not forcing the governments to bail them out ? "otherwise the whole system will collapse"

To name one i will go with Hullibarton , they were behind Iraq war and took $7b from your government to drill wholes in water, there you go !

The state is supposed to be all of us and it's purpose is not profit .
Surplus value is not a communist dribble, if the laborers were paid exactly what their labor is worth businesses wouldn't made profit.
The workers can decide in their unions that will only flip burgers for $30 an hour and then what happens? they got assaulted by the machine , fired and replaced , no , they can do nothing inside this regime because it is attuned against them.

If the laborers were paid exactly what their labor is worth businesses wouldn't made profit , the laborers are makers and the rich takers.

 

I have a different idea. Cut all defense budgets by 50% and give half of that money to poor people who have experience/skills in rebuilding infrastructure. Specify that they have to spend 50% of the money to hire other poor people who either can do the jobs or be trained and the other 50% to hire people displaced from military jobs who can do the jobs or be retrained.

After that, spend the other 50% on free equipment for the new companies, and then specify that 50% of all money scheduled to be spent on military will be spent on infrastructure, to be contracted out to the new companies.

All industries would benefit so much from the new infrastructure that there would be no poverty, anywhere.

 

I also support the tea party and deregulation to allow competition. I also dislike government housing schemes that finance these messes and give them AAA bond ratings.

They are involved in every war. The question was "what business forces you to pay them", not does big government take your money and give it to the friends of the politicians an burecrats. I am the one that wants limited government. You are the one that wants all of this on a massive scale.

no, we are individuals not hive animals like bees. The state works for us, or should at least. Now it owns us.

Know a lot of broke politicians do you?

And no capital would be invested and growth would stagnate. Who makes more, guy tilling a field by hand or by plow? Tractor?

Why should they get $30 an hour? Do you want the government running your burger stands? Do you think all technology that replaces workers and makes the remaining ones more productive should be banned and resisted? The plow too? The tractor?

What about what the capital invested is worth? If I buy a tractor and let you drive it and pay you every penny earned why would I buy the tractor in the first place? Assume the liability for you?

 

We spend a fortune on the poor now, there numbers haven't decreased since the war on poverty. Now we should disarm and do more training? Was the 160k plus we spent on education not enough? Will we still be taxing the hell out of people and pushing them into poverty? New regulations and new taxes to keep the money available for labor as small as possible while the money available for bureaucrats as limitless as we can?

 

Glad you finally see they do it willingly. Better to take a chance at work then stay home and die of malaria and starvation. You act like the rest of the buildings in Bangladesh are up to western standards. Or that Greek buildings are up to American standards. If you don't like their buildings you should go over there and build better ones.

 

AIG is the government? you are a funny guy

So the problem with the thieving corporations is .... the government? HA-HA-HA this is the same argument with a rapist claiming that "she was dressed like a slut"

Nice try but there is no republic without social contract , if you don't like it revoke it .

Are you sure you want to rant against the state with a communist ? sure politicians should go as should corporations but there is no way to have capitalism without a government , research it why .

Infinite growth is only a requirement of capitalism

Because this is how much they value their labor , yes public fast foods would be a good idea providing well paid employment and revenue outside taxes.
Productive ? enjoy

Investment capital came into existence either through the exploitation of labor or printing of fiat money , leveraging and other disgusting deeds of capitalists.
Buy a tractor to work it yourself not to milk the labor of others.

To sum it up everything you support has led large chunks of mankind into poverty , since you enjoy it what are you doing in this thread?

 

Yeah, sure. Poor people are out their risking capital to build infrastructure, develop new technologies, and create markets. I've had a lot of jobs in my life and I'll tell you one thing: I've never worked for a poor person.

 

You're right: People with that attitude can't.

Don't urinate: Innovate. I think that's my new mantra.

Find a need that's going unfilled. Find a way to fill it better than anyone else and create opportunity for yourself and everyone around you. Or just keep (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing and wait for the next occupy whatever rallies. But please bathe in the mean time.

 

So only people with the money to buy a tractor should be able to afford to work as a tractor operator?
So everyone who wants to work must also expose themselves to lawsuit, no more company assuming the risk?

So you think the solution to government favoritism is more power and money in the hands of government?

Couldn't think of a politician that is broke huh? Neither could I. They all like to be rich, even in poor countries.

Have you ever read animal farm? If not you should give it a shot.

 

What I like least about Obama is his similarity to Republicans on some issues. Most? His dis-similar traits with them.

Well, looks like the fat cats of corporate America have gotten it all...you got me there.

Jobs that "moved in"? Oh, you must be referring to the corporate raiders seeking untold profits. Those guys? He'd be better off starving. Anything is better than slavery.

What happens though, when you get there, have it all, and still want more? That called prosperity? For whom?

 

How to put and end to poverty ?

One word , by being "helpful" . But this is one of the world's most difficult jobs , your ego cannt allow you to be modest .

 

Now see, that's where your typical Republican corporate raider would come in and call that "saving" people, and providing jobs to all those desperate people, willing to do anything for nothing. We call it exploitation. They call it "business". (14 bucks a month? REALLY? I never knew they would be willing to pay that much...there must be some layoffs coming up).

 

Slavery? Or voluntary work they got by applying for a job that they wanted to work at? Now that they are employed, how much in taxes do you want to impose to profit off of their labor again to distribute to the free peole dependent on you for their livelihood?

 

Why asking those questions since you already know the answers? you can lease tractors , lawsuits are used to extort money in capitalist systems , i have already called for the dissolution of the state and direct democracy in this forums for like 300 times , yes i do have read animal farm but it is irrelevant with the current topic.

 

Well, kiss the ground the they walk on, and hail them as heroes then huh? Wash their feet perhaps?

I wonder where these Gods get their capital? Inherited? Profits via outsourcing? Maybe just corporate welfare? Yeah, you're right. They're all wonderful people.

 

Lease tractors? But not at a profit right?

 

My attitude stems from the reality of CURRENT day corporate economics, and what I've personally experienced, friend. Maybe I could sell my urine? Corporate raiders sell sheet. Maybe that will work! Thanks! You think I should participate in the looting..yeah, we've covered this already. I think I'll just keep doing what I'm doing, and no need to worry about any Occupy rallies either. I'm sure corporate Titans have figured out how to crush their very existence by now. Bathing is a good idea though. Thanks for that .

 

Slavery. Didn't I say that? "Voluntarily" is debatable on a number of points but....technically, you're right. They were desperate enough to work for almost nothing so, they helped make their own bed, in some sense. Taxes? Hmmmm.. that depends. Do they get magical accountants, and overseas havens to stash it in? I'd have to know these things first to answer appropriately.

 

Ridiculous comment.

The original poster asserts that poverty can be ended by preventing poor people from having so many children.

 

It would help. But Democrats subsidize the poor having children and burden everyone else with massive taxes so the birth rate among productive people is below replacement levels and above replacement levels for the poor. Baby boom in reverse.

 

Actually the number of poor had decreased by close to 75% by the end of the War on Poverty and only increased once we were stupid enough to reelect a Republican President again and the poor started being robbed by the Conservatives again. I posted the link once and I'm sick of doing you conservatives research over for you since you don't listen so I'll let you look it up yourself this time since it's totally irrelevant to the subject anyway.

What I said was a way to reduce poverty, which was what was being discussed, not your lack of knowledge about what happened when we did something like it before. Like most cons you would rather spend the money on killing people and seeing the pretty lights on tv. You don't give a ****** about thousands of people dying, in fact, you like it and probably want to see more, and then you wonder why most of the world hates American conservatives

You conservatives love to speak of "A Vengeful God" every Sunday. You better hope you never meet one cause "..Lucy, you gotta lot of 'splainin to do."

 

Government is not charity. No Christian is called on to give more money to government.

I notice you didn't bother posting any data. That is probably for the best otherwise you would have some splaining to do Ethel.

 

I started off making minimum wage, was a hard worker regardless of my wage, now I don't make minimum wage. If one thinks that minimum wage should provide them some great lifestyle so they don't ever have to advance, then I am not sure anything would convince them that they are not part of the entitled class.

 

You just don't like successful people because you are jealous. Typical classist.