The best argument against Obamacare anyone has ever made

From an email sent to me by Sen. Mike Lee's office.

The behavior of Obama and his administration of his office's responsibilities is a clue to what he will do if we give him any more power over US.

We can not allow this to happen to US!

We deserve better!

 

So the best argument against the ACA, is because Republicans refused to fund the law which was passed by a majority in Congress, upheld by the Supreme Court, reaffirmed by reelection of the President advocating the ACA. And because they refused to pass a continuing resolution, having thereby caused the shutdown of government, which caused the closing of those very memorials, thus preventing Veterans whose entitlements were also cut by those same Republicans, and who entitlements are now in jeopardy because of failure of the Republican house, from access to the memorials..... Somehow, Republicans see this as winning the argument.

The analogy is: A small group of people in a larger boat called USA has rejected the majority vote of the much larger numbers of the rest of the people in the same boat, and are steady at work now drilling a hole in the boat, about to sink the boat unless the majority submit to their demands. As the water begins to seep into the boat from the hole they drilled in it, the minority will declare they have won the argument, because Veterans are beginning to drown.

 

The best argument against Obamacare is seeing how little Obama cares.

 

pass a bill that doesn't require "funding" and you won't have to worry about it.

 

Pass a bill that doesn't require that we find out what's in it AFTER a vote has been made and a bill that didn't require strong-arm tactics by the "occupier/Liar" in OUR White House where shut-downs of critical basis weren't threatened (IF) one didn't vote for it. And how about we implement the "BILL/LAW/TAX" as it was when it was voted and approved by an idiotic Bush appointed justice where the BILL/LAW/TAX isn't exclusive for some and overwhelmingly tyrannical towards others.

This was never about Health or Care and the American people are seeing that now (which is why we are gradually replacing the corrupt politicians who had a hand in it. Why was B.O. (barry obama) re-elected........EASY, many like me saw no difference much in him than a Mittens Romney or a John McLame. Give us a Cruse or West and you'll see them take a seat in Congress or OUR White House. Lastly, don't lie about a BILL/LAW/TAX and then slap someone in the face who sees life begin with the fertilization of the woman's egg. Obama has proven time and time again that he cares NOTHING of the American people or children. You can see this by his forcing children to travel dangerous roads and by shutting down sites that protect children from predators.

In essence, B.O. is daring all of us to kill the "king's deer" while he and those who had part in this BILL/LAW/TAX keep their outstanding health care while telling the rest of us to "EAT CAKE".....or worse yet, TAKE A HIKE. Funny thing about taking a hike is that the American people are telling him to take a hike now that he has banned us from hiking in our beautiful parks or access to many of our wonderful parks. God bless the bikers, farmers and the truckers who seem to be the back-bone of our Nation. I still remember the long lines of tractors during the pathetic Carter years. We survived that scoundrel and we'll survive this one. Yes, change is coming in 2014 and 2016 and it'll finally be a change for the better. Bad part is.....we'll have to spend the first few years in undoing ALL that B.O. has done in PURPOSELY destroying OUR great Nation.

 

The ONLY rational argument against ObamaCare is that it does not go far enough. Universal coverage NOW.

And Mike Lee is an insane ********* who cannot be trusted.

 

gimme gimme gimme my free stuff, .......everybody sing.

 

Lol, the right-wing has repeated that lie so many times that it probably thinks it's true.

The ACA was debated for months and was available online the whole time.

But we know that if the right-wing stopped being dishonest and misleading, they'd have no argument.

 

Wow. Thanks for educating me that government social programs are controlled by the... government.

 

Indeed, you have it right!!

 

Neither the ACA nor any form of single payer is about free stuff.

Obamacare isn't government insurance.

It really is about health insurance regulation, cost control, universal access on the principle of personal responsibility, and creating insurance marketplaces were consumers can shop and compare.

And to the right those are all bad things, because despite the fact that much of the ACA consists of republican ideas, because Obama made it happen, its terrible and going to destroy the nation.

As for Lee's email. I can't decide whether he just thinks his constituents are dumb as a bag of hammers or he is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

 

If that's the best argument the Tea Party Republicans can come up with then they'd better find another one, this one refutes nothing.

 

The ONLY rational argument against ObamaCare is that it does not go far enough. Universal coverage NOW.

And Mike Lee is an insane ********* who cannot be trusted.

It's not free. We've already paid for it, many times over.

It is time for the insurance industry to give back to the country that allowed it to become massively rich.

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Well, there have been people at these Teabag rallies holding up signs saying, "Keep your government out of my Medicare."

 

perception and reality are not synonymous.

there are no price controls. Personal responsibility equals receiving a subsidy to buy it ?

 

No republican voted for it, this disaster is all yours.

Try not to dodge this simple question:

Do you think it is fair that the younger generation that earns less then older workers is being asked to cover higher premiums to cover their newly expanded risk pools?

 

are you advocating for a completely erroneous perception?


there are no price controls. Personal responsibility equals receiving a subsidy to buy it ?[/QUOTE]

there are all kinds of cost controls in the bill.

And the whole point of the subsidies is to ensure that ALL citizens have access to healthcare. Its the whole raison d'etre.

 

Yes, I think it is fair that all citizens are covered by health insurance.

Its like any group insurance of the kind you might have at work. Everyone pays the same, young or old with the young subsidizing the old AND pre-existing conditions. Is that unfair?

 

For most, universal healthcare is NOT free.

 

That will be determined by our actions going forward.

 

Yes. It is unfair to shift burdens on the youth - again - by force. The debt load and social security burden is enough, but the me me me hipster generation wants their kids to pay for all the things they want. It is patently unfair.

Group insurance doesn't work that way here, not with small business at least.

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No of course not. Nothing the government does is free, it is just the most ass backwards way of doing it.

 

But that is the way the entire system has worked for the past couple of hundred years. My generation had to pay for a world war that ended before I was born, that generation had to pay for things like the hoover damn. Every generation pays for what the past has given.

Are you saying that a small biz group plan of 45 people, all of them are rated individually and each pays a different price?

 

What did we get with the 850 billion dollar Obama stimulus? In the years after that it has been rolled into the continuing budget resolution?

Besides war is a necessity at times and infrastructure brings value everyone arguably can use. But distributing wealth away from one generation and giving it to another is completely different. Also WW2 was paid back in 10 years and the Hoover Dam equals less then a month of Obama stimulus - yes even adjusted for inflation.

I don't have that many employees. They get lower rates then us from what I understand. Negotiating for a better flat rate is completely different then having a higher premium forced on you.

 

the subsidy you think you are going to get courtesy of your fellow citizens is.

 

Yay, now they can have access to a plan they can't afford, even with the subsidy, and certainly can't afford to use.
Healthcare is not health insurance.
This bill is a competition eliminating, corporatist dream come true for the health insurance industry.
Your boys could have passed single payer without challenge. They did not. They are corporatist whores, no different than the boys in the other party.

 

there are all kinds of cost controls in the bill.

And the whole point of the subsidies is to ensure that ALL citizens have access to healthcare. Its the whole raison d'etre.[/QUOTE] Bought the lie that all people will have free healthcare under obamacrap. P.T. Barnum proven so right yet again.