The best argument against Obamacare anyone has ever made

not even remotely. guess reading comprehension is a problem for some on the left as well.

 

you want your playing field "leveled", at your neighbors expense, not a difficult concept

 

So why are you sitting here typing out a complaint on a computer keyboard?

Computers will not change this equation - only torches and pitchforks will change this equation.

(And a little tarring and feathering, that might help too).

 

You just don't get it, do you?

I don't care whose idea it was! It doesn't matter to me in the least whether it was a Democratic idea, a Republican idea, or the dog catcher's idea.

The simple fact is it's a rotten idea!!!

I started out in the "all or nothing" camp, and I'm still there. An "all" would take the government about 20 years to implement "correctly" and "robustly", but after that it would work and it would be cost-efficient. A "nothing" would have been way better than what we're getting.

What we're getting is a new 6,000-dollar-a-year tax on the middle class. Let me ask you something: what's the big problem in our country today? How come our economy is in the toilet? I'll tell you why: it's because no one has any disposable income.

So here comes genius Obama to strip away 6000 more, and what do you think that's going to do to the economy? The middle class is the economy, they're the people who buy things, they're the "consumers". And now you're going to ask them to pay for both the rich and the poor? Corporate welfare as well as individual welfare?

I'm very sorry, but that's just not going to work. It's just not.

 

What $6K annual tax are you talking about?

As for the middle class disappearing, that is a totally seperate issue.
You cannot condemn the ACA because of the continuous war on unions, or corporate offshoring, or lack of financial regulation and accountability, or static wages working longer hours, or the erosion of the manufacturing base, nor the decadance of consumerism etc. etc.

For some reason as the american empire declines, american leaders seems perfectly content to play the fiddle, blaming anybody else they can for their selfish myopic power grabbing objectives.

For the people, by the people should probably be re-written. "For the rich and powerful people, by everyone else."

 

Another misconception.

Its not about neighour's expense its about improving the american way of life.
Its about everyone contributing to the common good. A healthy country is a happy productive one.

But I suppose your attitude is representative of the byproduct of rampant consumerism and ideological selfishness wrapped in the guise of "personal responsibilty".

"I, me, mine but I save my crumbs for the starving".

 

translation : you intend to be on the receiving end.

 

you still don't get it. Why am I not surprised that the concept of "common good" is lost on many conservatives, unless it caters directly to themselves?

"The aim of every political Constitution, is or ought to be first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."
- James Madison

During the contest of opinion through which we have passed the animation of discussions and of exertions has sometimes worn an aspect which might impose on strangers unused to think freely and to speak and to write what they think; but this being now decided by the voice of the nation, announced according to the rules of the Constitution, all will, of course, arrange themselves under the will of the law, and unite in common efforts for the common good.

- Thomas Jefferson.

Unlike tens of millions of Americans, I have more than adequate health care insurance.

 

and you expect those with more than you to subsidize you.

 

I don't expect anyone to subsidize me for anything, and I happily pay my taxes.

Seems you just can't get over the fact that anyone would consider the common good to take precedence over a few extra bucks in their pockets.

Gekko was wrong - greed is not good.

 

you're not requesting to have your personal costs raised as much as the guy who makes more than you, so yes, you do expect a subsidy, and you only happily pay taxes if others are forced to pay a larger percentage than you.
You're all about the "common good" as long as someone else subsidizes your share of the cost.

"Happily pay" ? Sorry, I just laughed my butt off at that transparent line of crap.

 

Your notion of what a subsidy is ridiculous. If I am at the marginal tax rate and somebody else is also at the marginal tax rate but earned a few hundred thousand more than me, he would pay more in taxes that I would. Is he subsidizing me? Hardly.

I am all about the common good, because the common good is good for everyone, INCLUDING myself.

YOu seem to be all about every man for themselves, which give you great wet dreams, but would make for a postively feudal society.

Each year when I sign my returns and enclose payment, it is a tangible indication of my success. If I wasn't successful, I wouldn't be writing such a big cheque, so yes, I "happily" pay. I recognize my obligations as a citizen and that the government attempts to provide an environment where its citizens can build the best quality of life possible.

I also recognize that not every citizen is capable of economic success - (half the population is below average intelligence, many are trapped in the vicious cycle of poverty and ignorance, many have no real productive skills).

I would rather not have their children starve, lack education, medical treatment, or be homeless. I also accept that to accomplish this, there is going to be a certain amount of abuse. But we should all refuse to throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

sure you are, you and everyone else who wants a subsidy.

save it. You're not believable.

one way or another you stand to benefit, either by direct subsidy or the benefactor of government largesse.
Common good ? Too funny.

 

the common good is too funny?
well I suppose to the selfish and greedy, the common good is not something that appeals to them.
I guess we'll just have to leave it as:

You can't grasp the concept of common good.

And I can't stomach the selfish, the greedy, and low information partisan puppets.

 

[video]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57609316/healthcare.govs-problems-technical-and-political-run-deep/[/video]​

No surprise here, except for CBS’ dogged pursuit of this story.
Medicaid vs. Private Insurance: Recipe for Disaster?

Read more:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162...vs-problems-technical-and-political-run-deep/

Anyone with any sense of logic knows this to be true.

 

your common good ends at your wallet. You ain't that difficult to figure out.

Partisan ? Wow that's funny, coming from the guy who just used every buzz phrase in the democratic party handbook, while addressing a guy who dislikes the corporatist republican party as much as corporatist dems.

 

You have definitely made the case that your sense of common good ends at your wallet.

As for your dislike of corporatism, how wonderfully ironic you appear to share the same greedy, heartless focus on your own bottom line to the detriment of everyone else.

 

Sadly, I wish our politicians told the truth. Is it a fact that people dont want Obamacare? No. Its only a fact that a majority of people are unhappy with it and SOME of that majority is unhappy because it didn't go far enough...........like single payer.

This whole mess started over the debt ceiling hike..............and how much we should raise it. Now, the reason you didnt hear any numbers being thrown out by the GOP or the President is because Cruz and Lee were not even going to debate the issue unless Obamacare was defunded.

Cruz and Lee shutdown the government which lead to national parks being closed, etc.

 

by Jim Hoft
October 27, 2013

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CNBC reported:


A data center critical for allowing uninsured Americans to buy health coverage under President Barack Obama’s healthcare law went down on Sunday, the U.S. government said, in the latest problem for the “Obamacare” rollout.

Verizon’s Terremark operates the data center behind a federal system for determining eligibility for government subsidies to buy insurance nationwide and hosts HealthCare.gov, the website that makes insurance available in 36 of the 50 states.

The data center experienced a failure on Sunday that led it to lose network connectivity, Health and Human Services Department spokeswoman Joanne Peters said.

Source:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/10/another-glitch-obamacare-data-center-crashes/

Does anyone really believe that www.Healthcare.gov will be up and running error free by Thanksgiving?

 

"All that is complex is not useful.
All that is useful is simple."
-- Mikhail Kalashnikov​

Comrade Kalashnikov was not just speaking of rifles. I'm just saying...