New poll shows england wants its guns back

NEW POLL SHOWS ENGLAND WANTS ITS GUNS BACK

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/30/new-poll-shows-england-wants-its-guns-back/

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I think we can learn something from their experience.

Only a few years after banning guns the British people want them back!

 

Guns aren't banned there. They just take more time to get. There is 4 million civilian guns there.
There's barely any police deaths and police don't even carry guns. Why open the flood gates and create problems?

 

Who TF are you to decide what people can or cannot have within a certain sense of reason?

If they want their guns back, let 'em have 'em!

 

New my arse. That's an old story. Has anything changed in the law in the UK? I think not. So much for the "poll".

 

I saw an NRA film about this.

They made it look like ALL guns were now banned in Britain.

But that's a lie. Only handguns are banned.

 

Who TF are you spread lies to satisfy a political agenda

https://maps.google.com/maps?client...ei=pLpMUuT8NKnOyQHlwIDoDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CMoBELYD

 

It's disingenuous to say that criminals have much access to firearms in the United Kingdom. The cost of ammunition (we have the "gun ban" to thank for that) means that criminals rarely use guns, even if they do have access to them. And I'd say any dissatisfaction with firearm policy in the UK (though it is very draconian) can be attributed more to people wanting to use guns for sport than some desire to stop crimes by carrying guns everywhere.

 

Speaking of liars:

[In the the UK, fully automatic weapons] (submachine-guns, etc.) are totally prohibited from private ownership. Semi-Auto rifles over .22 and pistols are currently prohibited however semi-auto shotgun is legal. All other rifles and their ammunition are permitted with good reason with no limits as to magazine size, they may include target shooting, hunting, and historic and black-powder weapons, but not self-defence; however if a home-owner is threatened they may be used in self-defence.[16] Shotgun possession and use is controlled, and even low-power air rifles and pistols, while permitted, are controlled to some extent. A firearms certificate issued by the police is required for all weapons and ammunition except air weapons of modest power (of muzzle energy not over 12 ft·lbf for rifles, and 6 ft·lbf for pistols). Shotguns with a capacity of three rounds or less (up to guns with a magazine holding no more than two rounds, in addition to one in the chamber) are subject to less stringent licensing requirements than other firearms; shotguns with higher capacity require a Firearms Certificate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_United_Kingdom

So baicially every modern semi-auto rifle over the size of the puny .22 developed over the last 100 years are banned, as well as handguns.

 

That's simply not true.

The article being misrepresented here was more contrived than a simple "Do you want this law changed?". Reading the actual Telegraph article would tell you that so I'm not going to bother explaining it here. The poll on the newspaper's website would only be answered by people who felt especially strongly about one of the options listed and, of course, there's no guarantee all of them are English (or British).

There reality is that there is and has never been any swell of public opinion in the UK regarding changing our gun laws. It's never been the focus of any political party and has never been the basis of any high profile campaign. I'm sure the vast majority of British people didn't have a strong opinion in any direction on the general topic.

 

I'm Mr. Vegemite, Sr.

 

Being an English emigre and US citizen I lived through the creation of those laws, which I think are pretty stupid. Created in response to some significant shootings in UK the political reaction was OTT, so much so that Olympic shooters had to go out of UK to train.

I am all for responsible gun ownership. The laws in US are more than adequate, IMO. It's the attitude of the supporters of NRA and their ilk that seem to support irresponsible ownership.

I would support responsible laws in UK, if I was there. What they have now is quite silly

 

I remember reading an article not long after the draconian gun laws were implemented in the U.K. about a government program aimed at criminal gun violence against unarmed citizens there.

What was the British government's anti-gun violence program du jour? To teach the citizenry how to treat gunshot wounds!

[Which made about as much sense to me as the judge who denied Tony Martin an early release because "Tony would be a threat to burglars" (!)]

Although Great Britain has been and still is an exceptional ally to the USA (no matter what the current incompetent in the Oval Office thinks), I think Americans learned all we needed to know about UK gun laws in the late 18th century.

Now, having said that, I'll raise a glass of sour mash to toast our exceptional allies across the pond and look up some Sir Winston Churchill quotes. Cheers!

 

Let's ban voting, too. After all, letting pesky citizens get in the way of government only creates problems.

 

4 Million out of 64 million...hmm....Just how many civilian politicians are there that no doubt have security guards carrying guns? And being as policemen who are in the swat department (only ones allowed to carry guns in the police dept afaik) is no doubt also considered civilians how many of them are there of those? And then there are the government departments that are considered civilian ran but are still allowed to carry guns. Are even 1% of the population over there actual civilians outside of those professions that have guns?

 

The number of guns in civilian ownership (not including ANY person who is authorized to carry a gun as part of their job) stands at 1.8 million in the UK or 2.8% of the population if you prefer.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/25/gun-ownership-firearms-certificates#data

 

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And what is it in US? More to the point the number of deaths by guns is also through the roof. Common sense tells you the death rate and gun ownership rate are related. But truthfully its the idiot minority in US on the right wing who somewhow believe in the violence of the gun, being important to their safety. The statistics show it might be instrumentat ln their injury or death, accidental or otherwize.

 

The Daily Telegraph owned by the tax-dodging Barclay twins caters to the right-wing English middle class. It should not be taken seriously as every story, apart from the sports pages, reeks of conservative spin.

 

And who are you to decide what another country's laws are?

 

Except for the fact that as both gun ownership and CCW carrier numbers is through the roof, gun violence continues to drop and drop and drop. The 15 million CCW carries have less than a percent of 1% unauthorized use.

There goes your common sense.

The vast majority, around 75%, of the violence in this country occurs in 12 cities plagued by drug and gang violence.

Our gun violence has decreased so much that the anti-gun crowd has to throw in suicides (two-thirds of the anti-gunners statistics), police shootings, and justified homicide to make the numbers close to looking bad.

We don't have a gun problem in this country, we have a liberal-enabled criminal problem.

 

I saw nothing in there that shows that those stats don't include "any person who is authorized to carry a gun as part of their job". Mind pointing it out for me please?

 

So you seem to think the the gang bangers and drug dealers in the inner city ghettos that are responsible for the bulk of our gun crime statistics with illegal guns, are "gun owners"?

 

Chuck, it's not like you needed any more proof the liberalism is a mental disorder.

 

I don't think one thing or another. That was your interpreatation of the data, I think. US just has a very high death rate from guns however it comes about. If the statistics aren't skewd by gun ownership, then what is it?

 

Minorities, especially African Americans.

 

What percentage of the "gun deaths" in America are criminals who deserve what they get?