Obama crossed the line

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  1. Headlesseye

    Headlesseye New Member

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    Like, dream on.
     
  2. creation

    creation New Member

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    Wrong, the law allows the companies to keep these policies exactly as they are.

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    Im not blaming anyone, you are.

    The law actually allows these companies to keep these policies exactly as they are. Isnt that a good thing?
     
  3. Gatewood

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    No . . . it does not. Even the nominally pro-Obama press corps admitted that it does not.
     
  4. creation

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    LOL. Theyre not forced to change the policies at all. Theyre allowed to keep them exactly as they are, why dont you support that?

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    Check it out, even Politifact admits that the policy can be kept exactly as it is. The law allows these plans to stay exactly as they are. You support that dont you?
     
  5. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh man, gut wrenching uneasiness of Obamacare - why the hell can't it just be a $500 yearly fine for not having insurance ? That money could help cover the billions we tax payers spend on those who refuse to buy insurance.

    the mandate or pay a fine policy alone was fine - there's no need for this exchange and this forcing only certain doctors and providers for people.
     
  6. Gatewood

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    The ObamaCare law forces insurance companies to drop any policies not in compliance with the law's requirements. Do you think making things up actually changes reality? Barack . . . is that really you?
     
  7. creation

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    No thats in relation to policies being offered, older ones that are in place and ongoing that are under the standard can remain as long as they stay exactly as they are.

    Maybe you should just relax and calmly do some reading.
     
  8. Channe

    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yeah, but if you're a person who has coverage that is no longer being issued by the company (like being grandfathered in) you will lose it. this means that not everyone gets to keep their coverage or their doctor. Obama did lie on this or didn't realize this was going to happen. Either way, it's costing him credibility.
     
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    Donnie boy wait until the employer mandates hit it will be 100%. Let me see a fine of 1000 per employee or 2000 dollars per employe for a plan that covers more stuff than anyone on my payroll actually wants or needs. Most employers now cover 70 to 80 percent of the cost of your insurance. Under obama care that goes up to 90%. Guess who's going to be buying there own damn insurance in the future and having to pay for coverage for medical conditions they don't have and aren't likely to get.
     
  10. creation

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    If that grandfathered policy stays exactly as it is then the law allows that policiy to remain.
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL no they aren't forced they can elect to do what the govt tells them or go out of business but they are definitely not forced. LOL. Liberal denial. Fascinating.
     
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    Sadanie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More racist dribble! :roll:
     
  13. Kurmugeon

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    As bad as ObamaCare's middle class insurance cancellations are...


    You've only seen the tip of the Iceburg in the damage that ObamaCare Social Justice agenda will do to middle class Americans.

    We have not yet seen the impact that the "Racial Diversity Review Boards" for College, University and Teaching Hospitals will have on the Average American Middle Class.

    The ObamaCare Race Czars will have far more impact on Most Americans, particularly the opportunities and careers of their children, than anyone is currently considering.

    If the ObamaCare Race Czars are not struck down by the supreme court, it will completely and totally "Social Justice" and Racial Preference Dictate who gets a decent education from here on out in America.

    I have tried and tried to get people to sit down and really READ what the ObamaCare ACA does to higher education funding, but it seems that no one who is not already aware, is willing to risk the accusations of "Racist!" name calling to even ask about the subject.

    The Racial Preferences in ObamaCare will end up being far more impacting than anything surrounding Health Insurance coverage.

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  14. creation

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    No they can elect to keep the plan exactly as they were / are. They chose not to do that and offered a changed plan.

    Con job denial, fascinating.
     
  15. Junkieturtle

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    The cancellations don't make Obama a liar because Obama is not the one who cancelled those insurance policies. Nor does Obama have the power to prevent them.

    He was disastrously wrong in his statement, but it was not a lie unless you mean that every time someone ends up being wrong, they were being dishonest. Now if you can prove the insurance companies told him they would be cancelling policies and he said that statement anyway, then you can call him a liar.
     
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    BECAUSE ACA FORCED THE CHANGES. Also Obama said PERIOD, not ASTERISK
     
  17. creation

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    What changes? The substandard grandfathered plans are allowed to stay exactly as they are !

    What about that dont you get?
     
  18. OverDrive

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    More game playing and covering Obama's butt.......BUT, the truth is out and even the mainstream media is jumping on it!
     
  19. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Piece on the morning news about the devastating results of Ocare on rural areas where many only have ONE provider to choose from. Where urban counties next door have policies as low as $250, rural customers will have to pay over $650 for similar coverage. Since 1/4 of Americans live in rural areas, a lot of folks will be unhappy about their lack of options.

    What a nightmare.
     
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    Anikdote Well-Known Member

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    Well no **** Sherlock. No one at all will be voting for him because he won't be eligible.

    Maybe you should figure out how elections work before drawing lines in the sand.
     
  21. everyman2013

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  22. Johnny-C

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    Stupid OP Alert!!!
     
  23. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Metapost alert.
     
  24. GoneGoing

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    Obama lied, that's a fact. Get used to it.
     
  25. Johnny-C

    Johnny-C Well-Known Member

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    Virtually ALL politicians are unclear (even misleading at times) in what they say or how they say it.

    I wish that would change, and certainly... I would not say that President Obama is particularly misleading in his approach. He's one of the more honest ones I've seen.
     

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