Israeli Arabs: We don't want to be part of Palestinian state !

In my view, the only long-term solution is a one-state solution - a secular and democratic based state where Arabs, Jews, Christians and atheists all live under the same secular umbrella.

 

I do as well and envision this state to be composed of provinces with their own laws under a common Israeli law agreed to by all as part of the revamping of their Declaration of Indpendence or, even a constitution if enough pressure is place on the conservatives.

 

Gee! I can live in a country with the highest per capita rate of PhDs and develops a lot of technology that is used around the world. Or I can live with filthy Muslims and their rampant ignorance and primitive theocracies. That says a lot about how horrible Palestinians are when their own kin would rather live in "The Little Satan"

 

I'll ask you to look at the facts, I perused your posts and noted some interesting citations namely Chomsky and Pappe so I decided to do a little fact checking because those two names always sound alarm bells for me on this topic, so I decided to source check and establish the veracity of one of the quotes which was attributed to David Ben-Gurion:


"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."

Source given: Cited in Lustick, Ian, Arabs in the Jewish State, University of Texas Press, Texas, 1980.

Investigation: Neither the source given (Ian Lustick's Arabs in the Jewish State) nor the actual report itself contains any mention of "terror, assassination, intimidation or land confiscation".

The Koenig Report or “memorandum” as it is sometimes referred to, was a private document of recommendations written in 1975 by civil servant Israel Koenig, the Interior Ministry’s official in charge of the Galilee, to alter the demographic balance of the region in favor of the Jews. The recommendations were rejected by then Prime Minister Yitzchak Rabin, denounced by senior Cabinet ministers and rued by then foreign minister Yigal Alon who expressed great regret that the recommendations were ever written. It provoked controversy within Israel after being leaked to Al Hamishmar, the publication of Israel’s Marxist party, Mapam. Koenig’s recommendations included expanding and strengthening Israel’s Jewish presence in the Galilee, applying legal consequences to Arabs expressing hostility toward the state and Zionism, enforcing tax collection from the Arab sector, cutting family subsidies to Arabs with large families, eliminating preferential acceptance of Arabs into Israeli universities, channeling Arab students into studying the physical and natural sciences rather than humanities, and encouraging young Arabs to study abroad and emigrate. As controversial as Koenig’s proposals were at the time, however, there was absolutely no suggestion of using "terror," "assassination," "intimidation" or "land confiscations."

Summary: Fabricated quote, false source


http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=22&x_article=775

They were rather long posts so I'll argue a few points of contention for example this assertion:

This is simply false I have read Plan Dalet in its entirety and I would request that you C/P the portions which call for anything resembling ethnic cleansing:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Plan_Dalet.html

Furthermore; the assertions regarding the war in Lebanon and the war in Gaza are simply absurd, the complete dismissal of the thousands of rockets fired into Israel containing high explosives regarding them as nothing more than a nuisance akin to fire works simply untenable.

Your article claims that the ceasefire was broken by Israel on Nov. 4 2008 when they destroyed smuggling tunnels resulting in Palestinian casualties, however, that is simply untrue as there were dozens upon dozens of rockets fired into Israel during the intervening months of the supposed ceasefire which started in June:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2008#November


The author asks how many casualties have the rockets caused? I'll answer with the fact that the reason why there are not more casualties is because Israelis are mandated by law to have bomb resistant rooms in their homes which they must scramble to every time the warning sirens sound, and I'll ask this question, would you prefer that Israel retaliate in the same fashion as they were attacked? Can they send thousands of unguided rockets into Gaza and Lebanon where there are no warning systems and there are no legally mandated bomb proof rooms? Would that be a proportional response? Because I guarantee the casualty rates would be astronomically higher than the current levels.

Your article, also, completely ignores the facts that the Jewish Agency which became the provisional Israeli government fully accepted the partition plan; whereas, the Arab Higher Commission for Palestine and the Arab League fully rejected partition and begun a war against the Jews even before the British Mandate expired through the Army of the Holy war led by the nephew of the Nazi Mufti and the Arab Liberation Army respectively.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Holy_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Liberation_Army

This was coupled with a detailed plan formed and legislated by the Arab League to ethnically cleanse and lock their own Jewish citizens into concentration camps while seizing all of their assets:


JEWS DISPLACED FROM ARAB COUNTRIES: A STORY OF COLLUSION

http://www.justiceforjews.com/chrono_web.pdf


Text of the Law Drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League
Summary

In 1947, the Political Committee of the Arab League (League of Arab States) drafted a law which was to govern the legal status of Jewish residents in all Arab League countries. This law had already been approved by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, provided that, “beginning with a specified date, all Jews – with the exception of citizens of non-Arab countries – were to be considered members of the Jewish ‘minority state of Palestine,’ and that their bank account be frozen and used to finance resistance to ‘Zionist ambitions in Palestine.’ Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned as political prisoners and their assets confiscated. Only Jews who accept active service in Arab armies or place themselves at the disposal of these armies would be considered ‘Arabs.’” 1

Excerpts of Direct Quotes of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League

• “All Jewish citizens…will be considered as members of the Jewish minority of the State of Palestine and will have to register [“within 7 days”] with the authorities of the region wherein they reside, giving their names, the exact number of members in their families, their addresses, the names of their banks and the amounts of their deposits in these banks…”2

• “Bank accounts of Jews will be frozen. These funds will be utilized in part or in full to finance the movement of resistance to Zionist ambitions in Palestine.”3

• “Only Jews who are subjects of foreign countries will be considered ‘neutrals.’ These will be compelled either to return to their countries, with a minimum of delay, or be considered Arabs and obliged to accept active service in the Arab army.”4

• “Every Jew whose activities reveal that he is an active Zionist will be considered as a political prisoner and will be interned in places specifically designated for that purpose by police authorities or by the Government. His financial resources, instead of being frozen, will be confiscated.”5

• “Any Jew who will be able to prove that his activities are anti-Zionist will be free to act as he likes, provided that he declares his readiness to join the Arab armies.”6

• “The foregoing…does not mean that those Jews will not be submitted to paragraphs 1 and 2 of this law.”7

1 Memorandum Submitted to the U.N. Economic and Social Council by the World Jewish Congress. (Jan. 19, 1948 ) Section I. (2) a. June 2, 1948. [ZIIC - This reference is in the document prepared by JJAC and is probably incorrect]

2 Text of the Law drafted by the Political Committee of the Arab League. Paragraph 1.

3 ibid. Paragraph 2.

4 ibid. Paragraph 3.

5 ibid. Paragraph 5.

6 ibid. Paragraph 6.

7 ibid. Paragraph 7. (Paragraph 1 & 2 indicate all Jews must register and disclose personal and banking information and

that bank accounts will be frozen and utilized for anti-Zionist resistance.)

http://www.zionism-israel.com/hdoc/Arab_League_Law_Jews.htm

 

Most Israeli Arabs enjoy social security income, health care and modern education.
Most Israeli Arabs don't pay taxes as they should.
Most Israeli Arabs say they are Palestinians.
Most Israeli Arabs don't want to give up their i.d.
That's a fact.

 

sounds like this found it's life in the asinine soil of quebecois separatism ..

ever been there?

filled with little minds lashing out at all sorts of human endeavour..and religion ….You know you have an authentic quebecois separatist when they are spitting on you whilst they speak some horrid form of french…


the intelligence can be found in the Jewish sections and a lot of Westmount…NDG is now some defunct piece of wasted space, a once proud bastion of English..

The petit bourgeois rant and rave and mire the state in antique old world bigotry…

much like what your proposal would create in the beautiful precious sliver of land known as Israel

 

Au Contraire

The Frenchies in Canada do not carry a separate national citizenship per my suggestion.




Moi

No
Imagine living half Free
and half French. ​

 

“The Arabs of Wadi Ara have suddenly become ardent Zionists,” he said. “In interviews with residents of Umm al-Fahm on various television channels, we saw the ones who instead of celebrating Independence Day mark ‘Nakba Day’ and fly black flags instead of Israeli ones, the ones whose rallies feature pictures of Nasrallah and the flags of Hamas and Hezbollah – the very same people are now furious over the idea that they will become citizens of a Palestinian state in a peace agreement that includes swapping of land and populations.” Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman

 

There cannot be a viable Palestinian state any more, because Zionists have stolen too many land and too many water from Palesinians.

There can be only one state for all inhabitants of Palestine, be they native Semites (speak Palestinians), or the migrants from Europe, Ethiopia or India, who believe that they are descendants of Hebrews (but they are not).

The Zionist can call this state in their own language "Israel", and Palestinians can call this state in their own language "Palestine".
There are a lot of states that have different names, if there are more than one official language (like Finland, etc).

Let them create one single state on the Palestinian soil, let all expelled Palestinians return home, pay them compensations, give them the citizenship right of the new common state, which must be not an exclusive apartheid "Jewish state", but a state in which all citizens -be they Atheists, Jews, Christians or Muslims - have equal rights... and the conflict will be solved.

 

I agree and let's not forget, the right of return is codified in international law.

 

I have a much better idea: give one of the German states to the Jews.

it will be justice for the Holocaust.

 

I have always thought it was inherently wrong that the Palestinian's, the very people who had nothing at all to do with the Holocaust, pay the ultimate price in terms of their collective blood, while the state ultimately responsible for the suffering of the Jews historically, effectively get to wash their hands of THEIR crimes by not taking any of the responsibility for the consequences the Holocaust engendered.

 

There is only one German state, and this state belongs to all citizens of Germany, be they Atheists, Christians, Muslims or Jews.

There is no need for a separate racial-theocratic "Jewish state", be it in Europe or in Palestine.

A lot of Jews flee from Israel, they love Germany more than this apartheid exclusive Jewish state, because in Germany all citizens (be they Atheists, Christians, Muslims or Jews) have equal rights.

Jews love and loved Germany more than any other country.

Polish Jews refused to return to their native Poland even before WWII (despite the policy of National-Socialists), they preferred to live in the NS-Germany rather than return to their native country, and that speaks volumes!

Nothing can eradicate the love of Jews to Germany!!!

Germany is a state where all citizens have equal rights, and people who were born in Germany have the right to return to Germany with their families.

The same should happen in Israel: All Israelis should get equal rights, all expelled Palestinians should get the right to return to their homes and get equal rights with the migrants from Europe, India, Ethiopia etc.

Israel must stop being an exclusive racist-theocratic-apartheid "Jewish state", in which non-Jews have to serve the Jews.
Their supreme Rabbi Ovadia Yosef even declared, that non-Jewish Israelis were created to serve their "Jewish masters", like a donkey has to serve his master.

Netanyahu called this fascist Rabbi Ovadia Yosef "one of the greatest Rabbis in the last 100 years".

 

What are you talking about?
Israel was built with the money of German taxpayers.

The NS had to abandon any plans of creating a Jewish state in Madagascar, because Zionists accepted only Palestine (for religious reasons)

Zionists wanted Israel, they did not care about Madagascar or Birobidzhan.

BTW, we have today more Jews in Germany than we had before WWII, all Jews that left Germany before and during WWII can return to Germany with all their descendants, and many Jews (especially educated one) love Germany more, than Israel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

 

The crucial point you are missing is that the Palestinian's themselves were not consulted which is hardly indicative of any willingness to shoulder any responsibility other than to throw money at the situation.

 

That was what the Arabs proposed in 1945 at Bitter Lake in Egypt.

 

Come on, that's really not your idea, that's you buddy Ahmadinejad's idea.

 

Yes, but that is the fault of Brits, not Germans.

Balfour, who signed the declaration with Rothshild, was a Brit, not a German.

And Balfour had just to step in the footsteps of Disraeli, a Christian, who believed in the existence of the "Jewish race".

As we see, the fate of Palestinians was already signed in 1851, long before Hitler was born, and Hitler was just a "useful idiot", who helped the Zionists to implement their crazy and racist plans.

The corrupt governments of countries, that supported the UNO Resolution 181, are more guilty, than German taxpayers.

Germany was not an independent country in 1947, the Zionist lobby and the winners forced the German taxpayers to pay for the creation of Israel, and they have to support this apartheid creation till our days, and even deliver to Israel (as a gift) submarines that can carry nuclear weapons.

 

Balfour was also a rabid Christian Zionist.

 

40 million Christian Zionists live in America, do you hate them all ?

 

Nice,

Now that you solved the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, are you moving on to Syria or quitting while you are ahead ?

Whatever you decide take Art with you, between your vision and his pure soul you two can cleanse any conflict.

 

We can return all the Syrian refugees to Israel, where they can live in peace, worship their religion without fearing their Mosque will be bombed.
Here this will solve the Syrian conflict.

 

Makes sense as any idea that was brought up here, why not.

 

Who is we ?
Arabs ?