The Atheist 'Pay 50 Shekels for a Rape, Get A Rape' Myth

OK, and lots of Christians were at one time people of no faith, including my parents and wife.

 

It's ironic they accuse people who base their position(s) on facts, as not having the ability (or honesty) to change, if facts to the contrary were presented.

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Honeslty, I doubt that.

 

"""""I think we've covered this, the Exodus reference says the father had the final say on such a marriage, and there is no record of one happening, although there is a record of such a rape victim wanting to marry her attacker as she had no other prospects at that time.""""


You still don't get that treating women as cattle/possessions/things is wrong whether it's her rapist or her father.

If there is no record of one happening (and there's no proof of THAT) then the people of the time must've wisely ignored god's orders...good for them!

And , yes, ONE woman may have chosen that as she didn't have any good, decent, humane, compassionate alternative due to god.

 

"""Probably because they rightly see it as a waste of time to engage people whose mind is made up,"""


Yet, gee, they seem to have no problem battling it out in other threads.....


""" I guess they're smarter than me."""

..and so, do not agree with you......

 

What do you doubt, that my parents and wife weren't raised as Christians? They weren't. There are 2,500,000 new Christians every year by conversion, more than every other relgion combined. http://fastestgrowingreligion.com/numbers.html

 

So, your parents were knowledgable and educated with regards to the theory of evolution and then decided, "Poof!" was a credible alternate explanation. Really?

 

it may not be good and decent, there may be no compassion or humanity to it, but if I were to be forced back into intimate contact, he would die, or I would.

 

Just for the record, I am happy to admit to being closed minded about whether a rape victim should, now or ever, have to be put into a situation in which he/she will be raped repeatedly until death saves him/her from that fate. My mind is made up on that. And if anything ever made me change my mind about it, I'd want someone to put a bullet in my head. That is how (*)(*)(*)(*)ed that idea is.

 

The more so since the steadfast refusal to waver in Faith is a highest virtue.

 

Let he who finds this "rape the victim" thing to be proper and good be transformed into a woman, be violently taken, and then forced to endure a lifetime of the same. Or until their mind gets unmade. (there's a couple of ways to take that)

Im pretty sure that sometime during the initial assault they'd have an epiphany.

 

do dictators have epiphanies..
what makes you so sure that an epiphany is even on the radar for people who rape…
you are so far removed from human suffering that you paint it with a brush that does not exist.


*omits Maoist rant*

 

most faiths at their source of introduction value doubt.

the cultural revolution painted religion as poison …your views on religion are skewed from maoist indoctrination.
you focus on the corrupted form of religion and then make statements like a broken oboe

 

Well, in one instance on the OT such a victim disagreed with you. I would prefer that to starvation or prostitution, but as I've said, we've been over this.

 

If there is a record of one happening (and there's no proof of THAT) then the people of the time must've wisely ignored god's orders...good for them!

And , yes, ONE woman may have chosen that as she didn't have any good, decent, humane, compassionate alternative due to god.

How many people were there back then ..5,6, or thousands.....it makes a difference when you claim "victory" with one example.

 

Im guessing that the rule applied mostly to guys who "spoiled" a girl for marriage to anyone else, and such spoilage was actually voluntary.

How in the world would we know how they defined or adjudicated "rape" in those days?

Im guessing if it was a violent act, that when the guy got caught, it would not be a hand in marriage he'd get.

 

why couldn't the bible just say if she's raped execute her rapist, and in gods eye's she is still a virgin and must be considered as such or face stoning?

 

Hey, it's the bible!...you expecting somethng logical or fair?

 

What, now you want to stone those who prefer a virgin to marry?

 

you're right what was I thinking. let the raped women just marry their rapist....

 

Yes there is. From my earlier post:

"However it is plausible that there could be circumstances in which a father would choose to have his daughter marry a rapist. In 2 Samuel 13, Amnon, a son of David, rapes his half-sister, Tamar. Tamar was not forced to marry Amnon. Interestingly, though, Tamar seemed to have wanted to marry Amnon after the rape (2 Samuel 13:13-16). Why would she desire such a thing? In that culture, virginity was highly prized. It would have been very difficult for a woman who was not a virgin, and especially a woman who had been raped, to find a man to marry her. It seems that Tamar would have rather married Amnon than live desolate and single the rest of her life, which is what happened to her (2 Samuel 13:20). So Deuteronomy 22:28-29 could be viewed as merciful to the woman, who, because of the rape, would be considered unmarriageable. In that culture, a woman without a husband would have a very difficult time providing for herself. Unmarried women often had no choice but to sell themselves into slavery or prostitution just to survive. This is why the passage leaves marriage to the discretion of the father, because every situation is different, and it is better to be flexible than have a blanket rule."

No, they followed God's orders. The Exodus passage leaves that marriage choice up to the father, who obviously didn't allow it.

 

Oh well, it's in the bible, it must be true.

The wheels on the Jee-bus go round and round....round and round...round and round.
The wheels on the Jee-bus go round and round...all the live long day.

 

So you found ONE example which would be impressive IF there were only a dozen people on earth....


How many people were there back then ..5,6, or thousands.....it makes a difference when you claim "victory" with one example

If there is a record of one happening ( and there STILL is NO proof) then the people of the time must've wisely ignored god's orders...good for them!

And , yes, ONE woman may have chosen that as she didn't have any good, decent, humane, compassionate alternative due to god.

There's the rest of my post you cherry picked.

 

What anyone would prefer has nothing to do with the point. Your preference between one of three horrible choices is irrelevant to the fact that a god that would force you to do any one of those things is a monster.

 

Paul7 , """""I think we've covered this, the Exodus reference says the father had the final say on such a marriage, and there is no record of one happening, although there is a record of such a rape victim wanting to marry her attacker as she had no other prospects at that time.""""


FoxHastings: You still don't get that treating women as cattle/possessions/things is wrong whether it's her rapist or her father.
If there is no record of one happening (and there's no proof of THAT) then the people of the time must've wisely ignored god's orders...good for them!

And , yes, ONE woman may have chosen that as she didn't have any good, decent, humane, compassionate alternative due to god.

 

Sounds like whoever created those "rules" hated women and though they were nothing more than cattle and the old MALE farmers could stand around and discuss if she should be bred for the rest of her life or just left to starve or rented to the neighbor for his bull to use...

...there is absolutely NO indication in the OP that his god cared at all for humans who happened to be female.....no wonder so many men use the bible to try and justify their abysmal treatment of women....