Abortion is "the same as killing a child"???

They are considered "mainstream", meaning a range of viewpoints in the center. If you consider them "liberal", that only says that YOU are VERY conservative in comparison. I do not believe that these churches don't believe in the validity of the Bible, what you probably mean is that they do not endorse a fundamentalist viewpoint or a literal interpretation of the Bible. IAC, none of them are endorsing murder, and for the gazillioneth time, abortion is NOT murder.

 

If abortion wasn't murder...then conservatives who do take the Bible seriously....would believe it isn't murder. But we know it is. In order to endorse abortion you have to devalue a human life. And murdered people are most definately...devalued. By the murderer. A person who does not believe in the validity of "do not murder" is the person who is for abortion.

 

CKW - do you agree with me that a person doesn't need any religion at all - in order to see all those things you just pointed out?

 

Logically that should be the case.

When I was in college and in my twenties....I was all rah rah for women to have the power and control to abort at ANY stage. It was women worship I suppose. The fetus was a pain causing, stretch mark causing "thing".

Then I got pregnant...and at 4 months felt the little guy swimming around in me. So I hadn't found God...but I discovered that this "thing" in me was living, moving and human. So then my view changed. Life begins when I feel it. Can't kill those 4 month gestation babies.

Then years later I was pregnent, surprised by the discovery and depressed and thought about abortion. Then when my little guy was born...I realized that if I killed him at conception or killed him at 9 months---the result would have been the same. He'd be dead. Forever, never to be replaced.

I don't know if God gives people the wisdom to think beyond themselves...or if it can be discovered by someone with no religion. Don't know.

 

The only reason Evangelical leaders took up the abortion issue in the 1970s was to galvanize followers for political clout. You were duped...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonat...that-life-begins-at-conception_b_2072716.html

 

Anything can be discovered by someone with no religion ( because they have a more open mind, they can probably discover MORE!)

You're right, you DON'T know what god does.
You're not "special" because you don't believe abortion is the right thing for you.


PS: You never discovered BIRTH CONTROL?

 

Congrats on your realization and your child.

All this time I thought you were a guy. (blush)

I hope you don't mind me butting in. It's just been my personal experience that religion is not only "un-necessary" in abortion debates.... More often than not, it seems counter productive (from what I can see).

Just one old guys take on it.

 

Religion is used by pro-abortion people to deflect from the real issue that abortion is killing a human life. It is the pro-abortion people that bring religion up....THEY make it an issue.

 

That's exactly how and why I've always seen it as counter productive.

(besides the fact that I don't see why anyone needs religion - in order to see that abortions involve the denial of and the killing of a child.)

 

You know that isn't true. In this thread, it started here...

 

So...are you saying that Pro-Abortion people believe its ok to murder? And that to believe that murder is wrong....is a "religious" thing?

 

i'm really getting tired of the ability of people around here to comprehend what they read…


when the drug was illegal in Canada i would bring it in and sell it at a hundred bucks a pop…guys bought it from me and gave it to women they talked into having sex bareback who were not on the pill…

i was never an accomplice to murder…this lunatic was holding a gun to seven year old girl and was going blow her head off..in front of a school yard of kids….

i walked up to her and said i did this before…which i did not…and wanted to see it up close…it took her by surprise ..i was cool calm and to her showed a keen interest in her doing the deed…she got distracted by my words and i grabbed the gun and it went off in her side….the kid was saves…i was a hero…and you obviously have comprehension problems…you don;t want to answer my questions…fine i don't care your no longer on my list of people i find interesting here…
if i quote and make like you don;t exist it's not me being rude just showing people when you are off your best before date…
enjoy yourself ...

 

There are no "pro-abortion" people, and I don't know anyone who believes it's OK to murder.

 

You are making things up now. You are the one that brought God into it and all I did was state a Biblical fact =leave God out of it.

If you can not state why a zygote is a living human then your claim "killing a zygote is murder" has no merit.

 

1. We already have laws which say that a child in the womb is a human being.
2. We already have laws which make it a crime of murder to kill a child in the womb - in a criminal act
3. We already have people doing time in prison for criminally killing (murdering) a child in the womb.

If you think those laws are without merit - the onus is on you to try to get those laws overturned.

 

Those laws specifically have written within them that they do not apply to ABORTION.

Onus on what?

AboveAlpha

 

Whether they make an exception to allow for abortions to continue or not - they define a child in the womb as 'a human being in ANY stage of development' while in the womb.

 

Uhh....NO....they make an exception to ALLOW ABORTIONS....there is no....or not...period.

Thus these laws cannot be applied to any case involving an Abortion and there is already 6 date in Circuit Court where some state laws may be overturned as Unconstitutional specific to the Double Homicide wording of these laws....as we have talked about.

BOTTOM LINE.....these laws cannot be used against Abortion.

AboveAlpha

 

Conservatives who take the Bible seriously are INTERPRETING (MISINTERPRETING) when they say abortion is murder, because.....the Bible doesn't even mention abortion. At all.

A person who believes in the validity of dictionary definitions is one who knows that abortion is not murder. Even so, even knowing abortion is not murder, such a person is highly unlikely to be FOR abortion, and far more likely to be pro-choice.

 

The Bible does mention abortion. One of the ten commandments states, "thou shall not murder".

 

Since abortion is NOT murder, it has nothing at all to do with abortion. You cannot yourself interpret "murder" to be "abortion" and then say "the Bible says so!" Of course, if that is what it means to YOU, YOURSELF, you should make your own life decisions accordingly, but be wary of telling others how to live from your interpretations, i.e. not precisely what "the Bible says so".

 

From a legal perspective, not from a moral perspective.

 

And YOUR morals are NOT everyone's morals and NO one should be able to legislate their morals on everyone else.

Did you read that post I ask you to read? Or are you avoiding it?

 

By that logic, stealing should be legal, because not everybody views it as immoral.

 

Stealing is different...it affects other people to their detriment...it can create chaos if not controlled by law.

A woman's private medical procedure ( just like Joe Blow's colonoscopy) affects no one else.