Great News: German Home-Schooling Family Allowed to Stay in US After Asylum Denied

Your wrong here. Toddlers are focused primarily on group behavior and social domineering. For instance, take a group of toddlers and tell them not to touch one thing. Eventually, most or all will touch that one thing. Leave them in a room to do whatever they want, eventually they will decided what others are doing. However, if you do the same experiment individually, that one toddler will eventually touch the one object you thom him/her not to touch or will eventually do one thing that they will like. But in both experiments, that does not demonstrate critircial thinking though.

 

you can tell them this a thousand times, but it will never sink in. it's a theme with the statists that they have been bred to believe. they will bring up anecdotal evidence, well publicized cases of abuse, and claim that this is what all home schooling is about. the broad brush they paint with has been handed to them by their beloved authority and it's all they can believe. sure they'll claim they are all for individualism, but it is only the individualism of mob mentality. their individualism is based on belonging to the cult of the state and their belief system contains only that which is sanctified by authority. call them on it, force them to face the fact that they have willingly given up their identity for the false security of the herd, and they will pull up another anecdote, start ranting about the evils of religion or just pout and refuse to continue.

 

So your point is that in order to have children become creative thinking individuals you need to herd them together and have them copy the strongest individual?

Derp.

You're way off base. Children learn critical thinking skills as they learn to explore their own sensory input. It's the cornerstone of the way they make sense of the world around them. As they make sense of their spacial and temporal world, they develop their critical thinking abilities. Children test extremely high in critical and divergent thinking ability. It's when you shoot them through school that they loose a lot of that ability.

[video=youtube;zDZFcDGpL4U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U[/video]

The whole video is good, but fast forward to 8 minutes to see what I'm talking about.

 

How do you know what type of home schooling they have? You have no idea. The parents may teach religion but do you think or know that is all they are taught. Do you know what grade level they are? Of course not, you have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idea. Do you know how they would test out compared to public school children? Of course not, you have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idea. You think you are the only one smart enough to teach the TRUTH??? You have no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idea of what the truth is.

 

How many home schooled children have you known? Oh yes, it's much better to indoctrinate them into good little socialists.

 

How do you ban pedophiles?

 

Yes, ignore the truth.

 

ny throwing them in jail.

 

You are getting confused between curiosity and criticial thinking. Critical thinking can occur at an early age, but not in a toddler age. At that age, it is curiosity and learned behavior that dominate that age, not analytical thinking.

 

All schools are socialist indoctrination centers?

Wow...

News to me...

 

So you say without evidence, and yet every study shows home-schoolers well above their peers.

 

With evidence:

http://mds.marshall.edu/etd/95/

The current paper discusses Christian education in relation to college preparedness. The author focuses on Christian education and the use of Accelerated Christian Education, a prepackaged curriculum, specifically used in private fundamentalist Christian schools. Relevant research is reviewed regarding college preparedness and Christian education. The researcher obtained the ACT scores received by graduates of an ACE school over the past five years. These scores were analyzed using a t-test of comparative means (p<.05) to determine if there were a significant differences in ACT scores between students at the Accelerated Christian School and the students of a public high school in the same area with a graduate college application rate of 75-83%. Scores were analyzed and a significant difference was found between the public school graduatesí scores and the ACE graduatesí scores in all areas of the ACT (English, Math, Reading, and Composite Score), except the area of Science Reasoning. Overall, the ACT scores of the ACE graduates were consistently lower than those of the public school students.

The studies are obviously counting homeschoolers nationwide - not fundamentalist homeschoolers specifically - as the above study proves

 

Quite a few, many of whom would've been indistinguishable from children in the Branch Davidian compound.

The entire organized purpose of fundamentalist homeschool is indoctrination and brainwashing, as public schools are larger and less controlled, there's far less potential for organized indoctrination than in a homeschooling cult

It's not "indoctrination" they're concerned about - it's that they want the monopoly on said indoctrination - that's the entire reason fundie homeschooling was invented to begin with. Much less easier to control 1000s of students with differing backgrounds - then 1 student locked in his room with no access to information other than propaganda teaching him the earth is 6,000 years old - lmao

 

Bull (*)(*)(*)(*)!

 

Umm, that is a study of "private fundamentalist Christian schools." That is not home-schooling. I think you're in the wrong thread.

 

It's the same type of ciriculum used in fundamentalist homeschooling

So I'd venture that fundamentalist homeschooling would be about the same, except with even less socialization

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Prove it

 

Prove you've known many home schoolers who were the same as the Branch Davidian compound.

 

Too close for my comfort

 

Obviously not. How did the Romeike's wish to home school violate criminal law?

 

Didn't think so.

 

In other words you were being intentionally deceptive when you stated "students who use fundamentalist homeschooling..." You don't have any study concerning home-schoolers where they did worse. Home-schoolers get personal attention and are able to move at their own pace. Factors that greatly improve their educational experience over that offered by public education.

 

I dunno Glitch...all the lack of standards is disturbing to me.

The Libertarian in me thinks WTH, let the resulting job marketplace sort it all out when they're done with school. If the parents did a crappy job the little tikes will be a boomeranging back right away.

My mother was a teacher, and a good one, and she would be appauled that parents don't force their kids to stay in public school and get good grades till they're 18. Public school was different in the 60's, 70,s, and 80's though.

But I worry that ending public funding for schools, and healthcare of any kind, and dismantling the FDA... wouldn't quickly remind us why we started all that in the first place.

Anybody tells you they know for sure, are not in touch with how little they've thought it through

 

Why are all the arguments against homeschooling in this thread "because christian fundamentalists?"

No, I'm not confused, and you appear to have a misconception of what critical thinking is, and what types of skills you need in order to be a critical thinker. It's not about arriving at the right answer. It's the process of discovering an answer. Children are all about learning how to arrive at answers to the billions of questions they have. The way to foster this ability is not to throw children all in a room and explain to them there is only one answer, and it's written in a book.

Critical thinking begins with observation, and context. It's precisely in early childhood that children learn what sorts of information to pay attention to, and which sorts to throw away as irrelevant. It's over this time that we develop many shortcuts because our processing ability is very limited. These assumptions that we make for sake of expedience at early stages can greatly inhibit our critical thinking skills, or greatly augment them.

For example, our radius of visual attention is much smaller than our actual field of vision. Stuff goes on around us all day long that we see, but are completely oblivious to. On the other hand, stuff goes on right in front of us, right in the middle of our field of view, and we completely miss it because we think we have such dig bicks that we automatically replace actual information with the assumed to be "correct" information. It's when we're young, when we're first trying to make sense of the world that we start making these assumptions, and taking these shortcuts. And by the way, you might be wondering how I violated the profanity filter. I didn't.

 

I have never advocated ending public funding for schools. I am not that libertarian and believe that would be a big mistake. I just believe that home-schooling has proven itself to be a very effective alternative form of education for a majority of the parents who have chosen it and I believe the government should give parents the freedom to choose that path for their children.