* BREAKING - 3 Reported Dead At Two Jewish Centers In Overland Park

Details, schmeetails. Obama knows that the population already heard about a Nazi who killed people at a Synagogue. Doesn't really matter if 2/3rds of the victims were not Jewish. That's a detail that the left-wing Organizing for Action footsoldiers will leave out of their narrative. They have an agenda to advance.

 

All three victims were Christian...........LMAO at the President, Holder and the XXXX......

 

If someone is killed because the killer disagrees with their religious beliefs, it's a hate crime.

In this case, that wouldn't be a hate crime, because Miller's beef was with Jews, not Christians.

A fair point, but I disagree. There are degrees of murder, and there are (for instance) various considerations that jurors must take into account before deciding a given murder is worth the death penalty. I view hate-crime designations as another of those "aggravating factors". Killing someone is bad enough. Killing someone for so senseless and hateful a reason is even worse, and deserves a harsher punishment.

That said, because "hate crime" relies on understanding what motivated a person to kill, it should only be applied when the evidence is clear and watertight. Which is what happens, and which is why "hate crime" means more as a statistical measure than it does in the courtroom.

 

Oh.....give me a break. Byrd got a break ONLY because he was a Democrat and for no other reason. So what about Al Sharpton? Didn't want to discuss why the prez and AG still mix and mingle with this anti-semite who refused to repent?

Speaking of hurting minorities....I can think of no one more racist than Democrats who have continued to keep minorities right where they are for years. Obama and Holder have had this administration now for 5 1/2 years....and yet is the unemployment better....or worse....among minorities? And 2 of those years they had it all....Senate, House, and president. And even since then, they've had 2/3rds of it. So....puhleeze.....stop with the blaming of others. Minorities are right where they are because of Democrat policies that keep them there.

BUT this line of yours blew me away: " Obama mostly avoids discussions of race -- and when he does discuss it, he does so in mild and non-controversial language."

ARE You serious? Obama began dividing people over race as soon as he got in office. Remember his injecting himself into a local police issue.....Prof. Gates.....and claiming the "police acted stupidly?" IF he wanted to inject himself into a local issue somewhere....there were plenty to choose from....but he chose that one. He's actually set race relations back in this country decades....and it will take decade and decades to repair what he's done AFTER he leaves.

Then there's today.......hate crime right off the bat, he said. But now....oh wait? It's only Christians; Methodists to be exact. Think they'll get the Hate Crime treatment now? Or do Christians not count?

 

Why is this a 'current political event'.........three Christians got shot. Heck, four people were shot and killed over the weekend in Chicago......and a couple dozen more shot and injured.

 

(ROTFLMAO) Well, my, my, my. Just another run-of-the-mill leftist nutcase. And the prez already ran out to the cameras to make a complete and utter fool of himself BEFORE knowing the facts. Same as he's done oh, so many times before.

 

It's famously said that the Imperial Japanese Emperor opposed a frontal U.S invasion because 'behind every blade of grass was a gun'. If today, we were to give up that unique characteristic, we leave ourselves vulnerable not only in the unlikely odds of an enemy invasion, but what if our vaunted 'military' turns on us?

It's no different from schoolyard bullying. The naive train of thought is to 'go tell the principal or the teacher', while your kid gets pwned. The smart parent enrolls his kid into karate, teaches him self-defense and he pwns the bully.

There'll always be people looking to take advantage of the weak, we can't give those bullies help.

 

Hey, don't get mad at us. It wasn't us who made the quick assumption that because the man was an anti-Semite White Supremist that he therefore MUST be on the right or a conservative/Republican. It was YOU who made that leap.....and Obama and Holder who were playing politics when they jumped the gun to say there would be a hate crime charge.
Let's see now....IF he cares as much about Christians......or if the hate crime charge falls through the floor.

 

Oh, okay then. Since you argued your point so persuasively and all....

I addressed that.

And yet.... conservatives are unable to draw an evidence-based causal line between "Democrat policies" and the "place" of minorities.

Evidence aside, ask yourself "Why on earth would a president who wants to get re-elected do that?"

Most neutral observers have noted Obama's distaste for discussing race, though he's gotten more comfortable with it in the last year or so.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch...ama-changed-his-stance-on-speaking-about-race
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/02/26/obama-race-african-americans-legacy/5841201/

Remember his injecting himself into a local police issue.....Prof. Gates.....and claiming the "police acted stupidly?" IF he wanted to inject himself into a local issue somewhere....there were plenty to choose from....but he chose that one.[/quote]

Yeah, shocking that he would think race would be involved when a black Harvard professor (who was also a friend of his) is arrested for allegedly trying to break into his own house.

A handful of small anecdotes like that are all you've got. Obama simply does not make a habit of "yelling racism". He doesn't totally shy away from it, but it's not something he really likes to do. And I'm struck by the fact that when he does talk about it, he's not expressing anything particularly out of the mainstream. His reaction to the Gates incident and the Trayvon Martin shooting mirrored the reaction of most of the country, if polls are to be believed.

So we have a president who says what most people are thinking -- and for doing so, you accuse him of trying to divide the country by race. Despite the fact that what he said was mainstream, and that he has no possible motive for wanting to divide the country that way.
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Right. It's all Obama's fault.

And once again, he was just echoing what *everyone* was thinking. NeoNazi goes in and shoots up a couple of Jewish facilities. Of course it's a hate crime. There is *nothing* controversial about saying that. But because you dislike Obama and are hypersensitive about race, you see an outrage.

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Um, where did I make that leap? Please show me the post where I said this guy was a conservative or Republican.

 

anyone wondering besides me if his guns were legally obtained??

 

thats irrelevant in todays world.

 

The guy not only identified him self as a Democrat, but ran for office as a Democrat. I'm surprised anyone is trying to make excuses for that.

 

Who should care what "Miller's beef was?" Murder is murder. People lost loved ones. One is NOT worse than the other. It's a very stupid....and unfair law....which Democrats came up as they continually try to pick the winners and losers in society. And it's not just about religion in general.....it's only about certain religions.

Case in point: do you honestly think that if an pro-abortion liberal walked up and shot two Christian protesters in front of an abortion clinic....they would be charged with a Hate Crime? Seriously?

 

i think its obvious to most people. democrats claim to be republicans all the time but .....republicans claiming to be democrats are rare as unicorns. I have never seen one in my lifetime.

 

I'm surprised anyone thinks he's a Democrat, when he was a Republican more recently, and an independent more recently than that.

 

Me too. Too bad Obama made a fool of himself. Again.

 

I'm surprised when he doesn't.

 

You would lose a lot of your extreme positions if you did a little research.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/f...most-targeted-religious-group-in-2012-109607/

Law enforcement agencies who contributed to the report noted 5,796 hate crime incidents involving 6,718 offenses, which is fewer than the 6,222 incidents involving 7,254 offenses from last year. The report separated the crimes among various categories, and found that close to half, or 48.3 percent, of all hate crimes were race-based. Another 19.6 percent pertained to a person's sexual orientation, another 19 percent to religion, and 11. 5 percent to ethnicity or national origin.

Hate crimes motivated by religion accounted for 1,166 of the reported offenses, with 56.7 percent identified as anti-Jewish cases. Another 12.8 percent were anti-Islamic, 7.6 percent were classified as anti-multiple religions, 6.8 percent were anti-Catholic, and 2.9 percent were anti-Protestant. Only one percent of religious-related hate crimes were aimed at Atheists/Agnostics.

Anti-Christian hate crimes are identified and prosecuted. But unsurprisingly, minority beliefs are usually the victims, not the perps. Just like Christians tend to face greater persecution in countries where they are a minority.

 

There is not a single rule in any school in America banning kids from bringing their own Bible or praying. Any Christian who claims there is such rules is deliberately bearing false witness.

 

It's Interesting the diversions this thread has taken, to arguments that have nothing to do with the event or its perp's possible motive. Boilerplate 'lefty' bashing? Gun laws? Prayer in schools? Democrats vs, Republicans? The Crusades, ffs?

I've been following Glenn Miller's online antics for almost ten years now and I think I know pretty well what he's all about.

Miller is as anti-Christian as he is anti-Semitic and equally contemptuous of Democrats as he is of Republicans-- he's a neo-nazi, get it? And due to the felonies he's been convicted for, he's forfeited his right to even own a firearm, much less wave it about in a public place while demanding to know if his potential victims if they're Jewish before levelling his shotgun at them. .

Educate yourselves, people. Go to the 'white nationalist' snakepit known as the Vanguard News Newtwork (VNN) and check out posts by the user, 'Rounder'. He leaves very little doubt as to what the primary motivation of his attack was. It isn't complicated. He's a peckerwood loser who used to be a shining star in the white supremacist demi monde years ago by dint of his claim to have been a Green Beret. Since then, he's become reviled by most people involved in it.for things like being a government snitch in more than criminal trial involving white supremacists and for having sired a nonwhite child while in Vietnam (White Power types really, really hate that kind of 'mongrelization' of the sacred white gene pool).

These days, he's an old man who's dying from a disease he gave himself by chain-smoking for decades (emphysema), he was drunk (alcoholic) and had spent the entire night prior to his Community Center chimp-out in a Missouri casino where, one supposes, he didn't do so well.

He spent a great deal of time and energy this winter on VNN befriending and championing the cause of the racist mass murderer, Joseph Paul Franklin, whom he dubbed an 'American Hero'. In addition to that, he appointed himself the confident of Craig Cobb, the neo-nazi who was jailed in North Dakota for long-gun terrorising the citizens of a tiny hamlet as part of his effort to turn it into a Aryan-exclusive enclave. Even if you're white as Johnny Winter, you're not safe around a cardboard cutout nazi like Miller unless you're as nazified (and nuts) as he is.

 

This guy was an FBI informant and this was a false flag operation gone bad.........who knew that the three people he would shoot at Jewish centers would be Christians........SMDH

 

The Southern Poverty Law Center said Cross, who also went by the name Frazier Glenn Miller, has been immersed in white supremacy most of his life. During the early 1980s, Cross was “one of the more notorious white supremacists in the U.S.,” according to the Anti-Defamation League. He founded the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan and served as its “grand dragon” before launching the supremacist White Patriot Party, the law center said. By 1987, he was the target of a nationwide manhunt for violating terms of his bond while appealing a North Carolina conviction for operating a paramilitary camp. Federal agents tracked him along with three other men to a rural Missouri mobile home stocked with hand grenades, automatic weapons and thousands of bullets. A federal grand jury indicted Cross on weapons charges and accused him of plotting robberies and the assassination of the law center’s founder, Morris Dees. He then served three years in federal prison. As part of a plea bargain, he testified against other Klan leaders in a 1988 sedition trial.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/26849655-418/suspect-in-shootings-at-jewish-centers-in-kansas-had-no-record-of-violence.html#.U0x9HPmSxUc

 

The White Nationalist movement doesn't seem to be endorsing this guy or his actions......but I'm sure Morris Dees, the SPLC, and Anti-Defs are counting their donations tonight with glee........can't have good fund raising without a boogey-man......

 

It is amusing, isn;t it? A white suprmeacist, a racist, a notorious bigot murders three people based wholly and completely on his own bigotry, his own positions, and I fully expect follks to be, as you say, laughing their asses off.

I mean, nothing provides me with more mirth than murder. Do you agree? Of course. You said as much.

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Nor did the Stormfront mutual masturbation ring reject this fellow's ideology, After all, he was one of them.

 

You forgot Democrat Party Candidate.