Christians should understand how the non religious feel

I think claiming christians ended slavery because they held Christian values is quite a stretch.

Slavery was abolished in Europe many, many years before the US. It was dying all over the world before your civil war. It ran its course, and Lincoln not being a fan of slavery realized that.

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If they belong to the Republican party they are republicans

They are the only party against the policies i named

 

Fine, as long as they're not passing laws based on their myths.

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What exactly are these secular ideals? Keeping mythology out of law?

 

No doubt about it, democracy is a royal biotch. Don't you just HATE it when people won't see things your way?

 

RedWolf sounds like a hippy there who pleads for the end of war and war will never end.
The fact is religion s is more divisive than race. And as dangerous as nationalism

 

What they believe the constitution dictates.

 

I know several Christians that are registered Demos that are just as bad about wanting to impose their beliefs by using the law. The telling question is do you believe that schools should have Christian prayers said in public schools the answer is often scary and sounds just like what you think only Repubs think. Thankfully Most Christians agree with a seperation of Church and State. A better question is if you believe that Christians should be involved in Politics do you also agree that the Government should be allowed in Christian Churches, it is a double edge blade and most do not seem to understand that simple fact, once the lines blur there it can be crossed by either side.

 

" I think claiming christians ended slavery because they held Christian values is quite a stretch. "

Oh, I don't know, I do think the Christian values preached in many a church had a lot to do with it.

Slavery was abolished in Europe many, many years before the US. It was dying all over the world before your civil war. It ran its course, and Lincoln not being a fan of slavery realized that.

So what? I think the reason slavery was abolished pretty much everywhere was due to Christian values. You got a better reason?

 

Agreed... it would be their belief (based on their interpretation) of what the constitution dictates. Point being, the beliefs of 'society' are not necessarily a consideration when the "supremes" make their final decision.

 

i never went to a school where there was praying but to answer, i wouldn't care that much. I find having to hear the national anthem every morning to be more offensive because if you dont stand then you get into (*)(*)(*)(*).

Politics should be separate from the church. For example this is going on in Canada right now. The Archbishop has gone way over the line.

Trudeau is setting a good example here.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...tance-amid-sharp-catholic-criticism-1.2649810

The recent gulf between the Liberal Party and the Catholic Church has widened, as Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau drew a clear line between him and faith leaders while defending his party's abortion policy on Wednesday.

As the furor over the issue continues, the Liberal leader was asked at an event in Toronto whether he would sit down with Ottawa Archbishop Terrence Prendergast to discuss his views on abortion.

"I have a lot of respect for his eminence and for any leaders within the church, but I do want to highlight that he has a very different role than I do," said Trudeau, who was raised Roman Catholic.

"My role is to stand up and defend all Canadians and my role in terms of that is separate from any personal religious views."

The Liberal leader didn't elaborate on whether he would meet with Prendergast.

The Ottawa archdiocese said that Prendergast doesn't want "to judge his conscience," but a meeting "would be a good idea."

Bishop Christian Riesbeck said that if the Liberal leader refused a meeting and continued to practise his Catholic faith in the form of receiving communion, it would be unseemly.

"It's the fact that he considers himself to be a devout Catholic but then adheres to, or advocates for, abortion," said Riesbeck.

"That is scandalous," he said, as opposition to abortion has been a clear and unchanging teaching of the church.

 

It's fine if you believe that.

I believe cookies can talk to me.

 

Keeping people from doing simple things like a prayer at graduation. Their is no real reason why that should happen.

 

I guess you're against laws against murder and stealing as well. After all, they are religious laws......

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There is a compelling secular reason for almost anything.

 

And the people against slavery in the abolitionist movement were Christian, and did so in the name of Christianity. To deny that is to deny history, which you seem to have little problem doing, if it doesn't match your narrative of Christians=bad.

 

I think there can be structure without government and laws without compelling activity from people.

 

The same reason the rightists continutally force their beliefs on others; they believe they are right and you are wrong.

 

So what's the problem with letting kids decide for themselves? Most have too much sense to be atheists.

 

Could you please add a little more detail to such a structure?

 

May want to check this William Wilberforce out......

 

Ahhh.....so the problem isnt just with the religious, no matter where people gain their belief system or morals they attempt to force it on others.

 

That's dandy, now will you address the actual criticism I brought up? Why is it that you get to complain about people not understanding your viewpoint while you seem to have made no effort (or at least no successful effort) to understanding theirs?

 

not that much difference between Most Christians and Most Atheists, Christians just disbelieve in one less God than Atheists do...

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Letting kids decide for themselves is precisely what most atheist parents do. Telling very young children they "must" believe in god, or burn in hell, is not letting decide for themselves. It's an obscene, and grossly irresponsible thing to tell little kids. Kids under the age of 8 have no way of knowing it's BS, so fear and respect for their elders compels them to take it on board - unless they're lucky enough to have parents who immediately instigate considered damage control.

Our own kids were given both sides of the 'argument', exposed to a variety of faiths, then asked to decide for themselves. Of course this was AFTER the age of 8 (the age of reason). We simply didn't discuss such things before then - and I don't believe anyone should, except in emergencies (grandparents and their sly brainwashing). If you introduce dogma before they're capable of weighing things up, you essentially indoctrinate them - in either direction.

 

Being that all of us on this forum are above that age you prescribed, then it would be reasonable when presenting an argument or presenting some evidence that we all do our absolute best to "compel the minds" of those readers that what is presented is true. It seems that we have finally agreed on a point. Something (evidence or argument) that COMPELS the mind to accept what is presented as true.

 

Adults definitely use religion to intimidate little kids.

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I understand the christian viewpoint as I once was a christian when i was a kid.

 

It is obvious to me that we can ban or legalize things 'just because'. How else can we explain Prohibition, slavery, the blue laws, the pornography laws, or the marijuana laws, etc.