So you think you deserve $15 an hour for shucking fries? No.

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  1. Wake_Up

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    And interestingly, most McD's start workers at higher wages than minimum wage. Franchises are not beholden to the big corp for their worker's wages.
     
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    For men (veterans) aged 25 to 34, the unemployment rate was 9.2 percent. For male veterans 35 and older, the unemployment rate was below 6.5 percent last year. We will have even more veterans transitioning to civilian life as Afghanistan draws down and the Army shrinks in personnel.

    Another comment I'd like to make about this, the peripheral issue of military service as an option to a minimum wage civilian job, is part-time service in the Guard and Reserves. As a former reservist, I can, anecdotally, say that very often employers will discriminate against you in terms of hiring. They anticipate future deployments wherein your job will need a temporary replacement until you return. While your civilian job itself is often protected while the Guardsman/Reservist deploys, the issue is in getting hired in the first place. You go in to an interview selling yourself as a patriotic sort of fellow, but human resources sees a red flag, a potential gap in your work attendance because of a deployment. Companies don't like headaches, patriotism takes a back seat to employee stability in their view of the bottom line. They will pass over a military part-timer more often than not. Complete horse hockey of course, to penalize someone ready, willing and able to go to bat for this nation when called upon, but business operates on a Darwinian level...survival of the fittest.
     
  3. Wake_Up

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    Yes, we already have traction control in our every day cars.

    Yes - GPS and terrain mapping already works

    Yes - we can get collision mitigation cruise control now

    Perhaps to a degree. The truck won't "go" if the load is not distributed properly. Automated loading wouldn't be rocket science.

    But...I still agree with you...for now.

    Really, one of the biggest obstacles we face is cost. It would take more than just self-driving trucks, a whole infrastructure to support them would need to be put into place....even if we completely ignored any and all legal liability issues.
     
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    Eh, the whole issue of AI has been a rather sketchy one for many years. I heard a long time ago that AI would be taking over most everything by the year 2000. I believe even MIT suspended their AI endeavors at one point citing that computers were just not powerful enough to make it a reality. Now that processing power has again taken huge leaps, we still haven't reached the AI Holy Grail. I suspect that some day we might, but I wouldn't be betting any money on any certain dates.

    Task specific programming though might get strong enough for a lot of "futuristic" automation, but it'll still be an unknown amount of time for any examples.
     
  5. PT Again

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    This is against the law..........if you have been a victim, consult an attorney.

    https://www.jointservicessupport.org/ESGR/USERRA.aspx
     
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    War on coal? I guess you must be one of those righties who has no brain. America is mining and shipping more coal than ever. I believe the unions are changing with new and fresh blood rising in the ranks to become more inline with todays needs.
     
  7. Herkdriver

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    It's a common practice that companies do this. You have to declare in the interview process at some point, and then they find a reason to pass you over in terms of hiring.

    Don't just take my word on it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ted-daywalt/65-percent-of-companies-w_b_1418721.html

     
  8. Wake_Up

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    Not at all, and in fact it's one of the issues in the mix.

    I wouldn't say a single person can live on minimum wage "just fine"...they can live, but it will be a a very conservative lifestyle (maybe that's why libs keep screaming it's impossible...)...
     
  9. saintmichaeldefendthem

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    I'm sorry, but I couldn't move past that. It's clear you aren't a truck driver, never were, and have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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    saintmichaeldefendthem New Member Past Donor

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    Now you're just making things up. However much coal we're shipping is irrelevant, although it's certainly less. Coal companies are being shut down, nearly 200 tallied so far.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...s-and-related-workers-need-a-just-transition#
    http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/05...prices-by-4-this-year-and-another-13-by-2020/
    http://finance.townhall.com/columni...-industry-and-this-country-n1631288/page/full
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...eight-mines-cites-obama’s-“regulatory-regime”
    http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/23/epa-regs-shut-down-60-year-old-utah-coal-plant/
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/report-coal-power-plant-shutdowns-to-accelerate/
     
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    your telling us corporate greed will automate where they can, they are doing this today... eventually corp greed will force communism on this country as only a few will have jobs

    foreign outsourcing, foreign imports and automation are a catch 22 for our economy.... a Pandora's box we will not be able to remove our hands from until it destroys us

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    I was not disagreeing . I am saying the place to fight about this is in a courtroom, not a forum.

    I'm on yours and all other military men's side.
     
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    You are correct. but its not corporate greed so much as a necessity because of the bolded statement. They had to outsource to remain in the competitive market. If they were in a niche market, it would not matter.

    If you want to blame any one, Blame Bush Sr. for getting the ball rolling and Clinton for sealing our fate.

    This was the precise moment our GDP growth went anemic..
     
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    Watching iRobot was a bit frightening. The FEDEX parcel deliverer, the garbage men, etc...all robots. As we enter into the robotics age, the U.S. should pass a simple law that prohibits the use of robots for any task that can be done just as well by a human, a law that would only apply to businesses. So people could individually have a robot to help around the house, but a Starbucks barista or a pizza delivery guy cannot be a robot. It's going to become necessary to prevent massive losses in jobs and having the majority of people unable to earn an income.

    Besides, Siri's voice already creeps me out. Imagine if she actually had a body.
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    your right, the government has to restrict everyone from doing what is bad for the economy or eventually everyone will need too do it

    if corps are people, just like we make laws that say people can't drive too fast or jaywalk, one ways, no u-turns, ect... we can make laws to keep corps in line too

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    Eh, our industrial center peaked many years before Clinton....it has been on a slide for a long time...I mean, something like 76-78% of our GDP is service based.
     
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    This is where we will disagree....they are choking the economy ...........not helping it
     
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    Progress across all venues of advancement have always been changing the nature of business.

    This is nothing new.

    What might be new, or what might become most relevant in the near future is the speed that our technology is advancing. Perhaps fortunately though, to some degree, technology advancements don't find their way into the mainstream nearly as quickly as they are invented, mainly due to cost, or ROI, or other monetary matters that bean counting accountants figure out the Nth cent.

    Even in 2014 we still have companies out there using very out dated computer systems and other "ancient" tech.

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    The market was fine until uncle sam began meddling in it...and like most attempts by big bro to control stuff, it either fails or causes too many other problems, or cost 350 times more than projected, or takes 10 times longer to implement, etc, ad nauseum...
     
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    Horse(*)(*)(*)(*).

    I've owned my own businesses, I've worked for small businesses and big businesses and even uncle sam. I have seen, worked for or had experience with very few businesses "out to screw" their people.
     
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    Lol, um, yes, it is close. I was off about 13% on services. In 2012 our nominal GDP was 71,707,302 million dollars. Agriculture accounted for %5.9, industry 30.5% and services 63.6%...

    the point remains...our GDP consists primarily of services.
     
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    I think you are taking too many things into consideration because the use the word services.

    True service sector is about 13% total.

    But please tell me where you are deriving your percentage from?
     
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    Take a look at the car companies.
    In years gone by, workers put cars together, it's all robots now.
    Wages went up, machines became more profitable - Rupert Murdoch figured that out but the idiot unions wanted the old ways. Wapping was a mess but also a turning point.
    Burger flippers: Read up on that dispute, the causes and what happened to the greedy workers.
     
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    It's worse than that.
    U.S. taxes are going to go up like a rocket, public services are about to be slashed and, here's the killer for burger flippers, all companies are going to be looking at their biggest outlays, deciding what course of action to take.

    Nixon finally finished Bretton Woods but the petrodollar soon propped up the greenback.
    Saudi was the first to agree to that system, quickly followed by the rest of OPEC, then the world.
    The Dollar soon became the standard currency for all international transactions.
    The so called, "axis of evil" countries (Add Russia and China) have broken this norm but, much more interestingly, Saudi has also done so.
    China is now Saudi's biggest oil customer, now having built one of the world's biggest refineries in that country.
    China now takes more Saudi oil than America and deals are being done in Yuan.
    Other countries are bound to follow, massively reducing the demand for the Dollar, devaluing the currency and, considering America's massive national debt, smashing the internal economy of the United states.
    BRICS is extremely dangerous to the Dollar.
    More so when you consider your great friends, Japan, have stopped using the Dollar for trades with China. All deals between those countries are now done in local currency, not the dollar. It saves them a fortune, but these deals are killing the dollar.

    Taxes will go up, businesses will cut costs (Burger flippers) in an attempt to run as efficiently as possible.
    That is unlikely to happen next week, but watch out for the next few years.

    The higher your wages, the more likely a machine will be doing your job as things get worse.
    Of course, burger flipper, being uneducated and reading only the tabloids, will be unaware of any of this, so they'll carry on demanding more and, exactly like Oliver Twist, they'll get booted out.
     
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    He doesn't have to justify his salary. It's not a publicly paid salary. People can choose to work there or not just the same as people can choose to eat there or not. McDonald's isn't subsidized by anyone's money. If you don't like what the CEO of Mcd's is getting, don't give them your money. Otherwise, get over it.
     

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