Mary’s Gourmet Diner drops prayer discount, Atheists threaten to sue.

The restaurant owner being sued for discrimination that isn't there, only because a group of radical atheists hate believers.

 

Which two did you mean? Liberals and atheists?

 

Nah. I'm not that partisan. Not yet anyway.

 

No, they weren't breaking the law. They stopped because a band of radical atheists threatened them with a frivolous lawsuit and they chose to back down. Probably they couldn't afford to go to court.

By definition, saying "Thank you" out loud would qualify for the discount.

Why not just accept atheism is treated as a religion under law and that by not specifically excluding you they broke no laws. Why not take advantage of the discount and make a wish (another, valid definition of the word) and get the discount....no deity involved.

 

The senior discount is crap to " We are on a fixed income" that a stupid excuse so is the rest of the world. Why should I have to over pay so someones else can eat cheaper. Oh damn I sound like a *********.

 

If your analogy is food for thought, you must be starving.

 

Exactly the type of response I expected.

 

Yeah, I know. You trying to say you've been discriminated against when you don't clip a coupon. Of course, that's not absurd at all and makes perfect sense. Hire a lawyer, why don't you? You're clearly in a protected group. The same goes for your game coupon. Clearly

Are you effing serious??? And you expect us to take those painfully pitiful analogies seriously? Food for thought? As I said, a starvation diet.

 

Not discriminated against? Really? As I see it, if you're a person that does not pray to a God or if you're a person that prefers praying in private, you are being denied the discount base upon those two scenarios. What if your praying ritual of choice is of a faith that is considered unconventional or a bit out of the ordinary... do those prayers not count? As far as I can recall, the article did not state specifically which manner of prayer and to which deity was considered discount worthy. If it was meant to only apply to particular faiths, it would indeed be discriminatory.

 

No, I expect you to realize that they're just as ridiculous as saying you're being discriminated against in this scenario.

How about ladies night at a bar where females get in free and guys pay cover?

So if I'm a person that doesn't like carrying small pieces of paper around I'm being discriminated against and being denied certain discounts from paper coupons?

You're blinded by your hatred of all things religious and you've stooped to the most ridiculous (*)(*)(*)(*)ing arguments to desperately try and make your point. This type of stuff goes on ALL THE TIME and now that it has something to do with religion, you're all bent out of shape? Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

In many places, ladies nights have been banned for the very reason we have been discussing. The reason more haven't, is that men, in general, like the idea of that kind of discrimination because they want to go to that bar and get laid.

Don't get your panties in a knot on this. Do I think the atheists went overboard on this? Yep. Do I think your bizarre coupon-clipping, sports ticket analogies are bull(*)(*)(*)(*)? Without a doubt! Laughably so.

But here we are, with a place rewarding certain religious practices. And you're all whipped into a frenzy because it happens to be a Christian practice that you support. The law is simple and clear. One cannot discriminate based on religion. That's all. I didn't make the law. Either did you. The difference is that I interpret it correctly and you don't.

 

Say a prayer to the Flying Spaghetti Monster and quit bellyaching

 

And nobody was "forcing" black people to go to certain business establishments either. That makes no difference.

And how would you know that? You're simply guessing to justify the practice.

Sure, you can maybe your way into this being frivolous, but again, you're simply making excuses to justify the practice.

It isn't cherry picking, saying that prayer is related to religion is pretty much the laymen use of the term.

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Again, guessing.

Then why call it prayer? When was the last time you heard the term prayer used and it wasn't accompanied with a religious connotation? Probably this instance where you are using it to justify the practice.

Why not simply not use the word prayer? Is it really that difficult to change what the constitutes a discount by simply not using a word intricately related to a religious context?

 

A select few places banning them is irrelevant, my point stands.

They were suppose to be absurd, to point out how absurd this is.

Where did I say I support prayer? Where did I mention my stance on religion at all? And prayer is hardly limited to christians.

Also, they're not discriminating based on religion as nobody is being excluded, including atheists as they are just as capable of participating as anyone else.

Saying only christians get the discount would be discrimination.

And you can stop with the childish backhanded insults acting like I'm all bent out of shape over this, it doesn't strengthen your argument, only makes you look petty.

 

I've pointed out the law numerous times. And you still haven't given any sufficient rebuttal to why this isn't covered under the law. Being able to pretend to be an entirely different person doesn't make it legal, no matter how petty you consider the issue. As I've pointed out, I can pretend to be a Mexican Catholic to get a discount, but 1) I shouldn't have to and 2) that doesn't make it legal.

 

No one is being discriminated against, that's why the law doesn't apply. Everyone is free to participate.

 

And yet you still haven't been able to rebut my analogies using the other protected classes. Just because I can pretend to be somebody completely different to get passed the discrimination doesn't make it not discrimination.

 

And you haven't been able to prove they correlate. You're only argument that you have is that somebody feels uncomfortable. That is the only basis. As I've said everyone is free to participate.

It's getting late and I'm finally nodding off. I'll catch up with you on this tomorrow. Enjoy the rest of your night.

 

How do they not correlate? Your only argumentation has been "everybody can participate... if they pretend to be somebody different". Considering that pretending to be somebody different is based on the protected classes, that doesn't matter. I could literally spend tens of thousands of dollars to dye my skin black to get a discount for being black, but that doesn't mean that giving a discount for black people isn't discrimination. So, how are they not correlated?

 

They are not refusing you service. Since no one on this board has ever been to this restaurant assuming that only certain types of prayer receive the discount is speculation. The article clearly leaves out a lot of information. I am curious if this would cause the same vitriol if it happened to be a restaurant run by a muslim, or some other acceptable religion.

 

Societies discriminate every day, you discriminate every day, or I suppose everyone you meet becomes a friend, everyone you come into contact with, you share your deepest secrets and inner feelings. We discriminate everyday. Is it discrimination to require someone to pay for the food? Are you not keeping the poor away, keeping away those who can not afford to eat there away, if you can not afford it?

Try to buy a house without credit, rent a car with out a credit card. Discrimination happens, you should be fighting for tolerance.

 

Returning to the OP for a moment,

That's presumptuous on Gaylor's part. Who's to say what an atheist does or does not do? There is no code of conduct for atheists, nothing barring an atheist from saying a prayer (e.g. to the FSM ).

And this is clearly NOT a case of charging atheists more than Christians, anyway, because even a Christian may not bother to say a prayer (I know I never did publicly back in my Lutheran days unless someone else was leading it).

This whole thing is utterly stupid. I really can't believe someone thought it was reasonable to threaten this restaurant. How utterly ludicrous this is, and shame on any judge who would even hear the case, let alone rule in favor of the Waah! Religious favoritism! WAAAAH!! crowd in a case such as this. What an awful precedent to set.

You know what's under attack in this country? Freedom, pure and simple. No one is free to say or do anything anymore. Always there's some POS lurking, just waiting for any excuse to file a suit.

 

18 USC 245: Federally protected activities

 

Nobody is arguing that societies don't discriminate, but in the case of race, color, religion, or national origin, such discrimination is illegal. Financial status, on the other hand, is not a protected class.

 

They are not providing the advantage of a 15% discount to people who do not share a particular religious belief. If someone who didn't pray refused to pay 15% of the bill, you don't think the restaurant would have called the police?