US Air Force REQUIRES oath to god to re-enlist now. Airmen denied re-enlistment.

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  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_ne...t_swear_to_god


    http://www.military.com/daily-news/2...ment-oath.html



    An airman claims he's being denied reenlistment because he doesn't believe in God. An atheist airman at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada has reportedly been denied reenlistment because he refuses to take the oath, "So help me God." The American Humanist Association, which is fighting the unnamed airman's case, says:

    The government cannot compel a nonbeliever to take an oath that affirms the existence of a supreme being.

    While the group asserts that numerous previous cases have found that atheists can have religious language omitted from military contracts, Air Force rules have been changed to demand that enlistees must take an oath to God during their allegiance, which the group says is unconstitutional.

    The Air Force doesn't sound like it's going to back down in this either. In a statement to WTSP, it said:

    Reciting 'So help me God' in the reenlistment and commissioning oaths is a statutory requirement under Title 10 USC 502 ... airmen are no longer authorized to omit the words 'So help me God.'

    Wow, what year is this? Did I miss the part where we all time-traveled back to the Dark Ages? Hey, some people used to worship trees, you know. It's true. Probably not a bad idea either.

    What about reciting your fealty to a supreme being makes you a better soldier? What about refusing to do it would make you a worse one?

    Nothing. Nothing about believing or not believing in one supreme God will make you any more or less likely to help your fellow soldiers, listen to your commanders, or serve your country.

    Perhaps the Air Force is worried that anyone who has the critical thinking skills to question a supreme deity would also question authority? Who knows.

    Unfortunately this new rule might mean the loss of some great servicemen and servicewomen.




    But nope. I dont have anything to worry about im told. No one is trying to force god on us I am told. All the time.
    Unless I want to serve my country anyways. Then its a requirement.
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    [video=youtube;sHOq6Sl9u38]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHOq6Sl9u38[/video]
    time video 1:06 souls of men that means there are there own gods with wings too conquer, the airforce wants to pump there egos up even bigger then what they are, to get in and blast every other one to H*ll, like vengeance angels of the sky of a superior god. so outdated, i agree get rid of the dam oath plz!
     
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    Good!!!
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what if you were required to swear to Allah?
     
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    CatholicCrusader Banned

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    That's why I won't move to Iran.
     
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    Having religion be a requirement for anything that has nothing to do with religion is beyond stupidity. Keep the religion in the churches where it belongs and not in the cockpits of fighter jets where it absolutely doesn't.
     
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    `Agree!! ^^^ and keep the muslims from flying our planes also....Remember the "American" General who got shot in the back by a muslim terrorists...
     
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    reallybigjohnson Banned

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    Is this from the Onion because I am highly skeptical of this story.
     
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    If you join the military, then you forfeit your right to think for yourself. The military needs people who will mindlessly follow instructions, They don't need free thinkers in their ranks. If he wanted to be in the Air Force, then he should have simply recited their little pledge for them. It means nothing, anyway. It's only words. If the Air Force actually gave a damn about Christianity, then they wouldn't be asking people to sin by reciting an oath, since the Bible is very clear in it's denunciation of engaging in such rituals. Air Force religion is merely part of the psychological training for an airman. I see no reason for a professed atheist to take such nonsense seriously.
     
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    Why is this good? And why should people who do not believe in god not be allowed to also serve their country?
     
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    Well if they don't believe in God then how are you going to get them to kill people for Jesus?
     
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    The USAF is following the letter of the law.

    As written...

    10 U.S. Code § 502
    It's in the U.S. Code.
     
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    Well, the term 'God' is generic and can invoke any God to include Allah. They aren't forced to say "...so help me Yahweh".

    That being said, this will be shot down. It is absolutely unconstitutional for the government to FORCE anyone to invoke and recognize any god in an oath. I also imagine whoever made this stupid decision will be receive some sort of punishment, if not removed the from the AF altogether.
     
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    The law was amended in 1962 to include that phrase.
    Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/502 There is info on the US Code tab and the Notes tab. This isn't a new requirement, but it's a law that has been amended in 1989 and again in 2006, however none of those changes omitted the phrase or made it permissible to omit it during a reenlistment. That would require congressional action to alter the law so at least you know where to direct the anger and perhaps push for an amendment. The Air Force doesn't make the laws, but it is bound to obey them.
     
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    Agree ^^^

    MOD EDIT - Rule 3
     
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    I do not believe the armed forces personnel policies falls under the same rules as the government. For instance, my father related how attendance at chapel was mandatory during his time in the Army in the War.
     

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