Police attack family during traffic stop in Hammond Indiana

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  1. Ctrl

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    I would, at this point, like to take a position in the debate, rather than be given one. My point was to the psychology of a police officer to this point, and why race is ACTUALLY a factor, given the higher propensity of the black population to fire on an officer than their percentage of the population, as well as committing more crime.

    In 2011, there were 72 officers killed by citizens.
    In LA alone, officers shoot about one person per week.

    This... is a little (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up.
     
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    Where do you find pit bulls naturally occurring in the wild?
     
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    In the ghetto would be my first answer.
     
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    Right, like they would only be going after a dollar. The fact they were taping it, acting so innocently, while refusing to open the door says a lot. They were trying to provoke an encounter with the police.
     
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    and the 911 call with the obligatory............."im in fear fo my life"
     
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    That is correct.

    Plus, the police broke a window. Big deal. And they didn't shoot the dude, they tazed him.

    These idiots argued with the police for 13 minutes, and they were obstructing the police in the dispatch of their duties. The police could have broke the window after three minutes and then broke the guy after that if they really wanted to. I think they were too nice.

    Seriously. What sort of IDIOT would argue with police for THIRTEEN MINUTES while the police are asking you to step out of your vehicle.

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    Seriously? You are comparing the police asking you to step out of your vehicle - something that happens hundreds of times a day - to extortion of money?

    I think you need to rethink that ridiculous analogy.
     
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    Sounds to me like she was already on the phone to someone telling them what was happening. Can't figure out why the officer might have pulled a gun with this guy going through his bag? While they keep refusing orders? Seems he must of holstered it when the officer saw he was pulling nothing out but an ID. A set up if I ever heard one. Also she needed to do is open the door and that wouldn't have happened
     
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    One reason it's so hard to get things through to Liberals, they keep seeing things that aren't there.
     
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    [video]http://wapo.st/1CSMKQ5[/video]
     
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    You're saying its ridiculous to consider refusing to hand over all your money to a cop as intentional "provocation"?

    -Meta
     
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    For all this pomp, how dare you mention "Big Government" in your signature. The very nature of these police is big government at work. It's quite clear you support big governmnet jackbooted churls stealing and destroying property to make the community feel safer that a thug not wearing a seat belt has been brought to justice in such smashing fashion.

    Hipocrisy is sickening.

    What's more, you completely ignore the fact that statutes created that violate our constitutionally guaranteed rights do not have to be listened too - the fifht amendment is one of those things, as is the 2nd, 3rd, etc.
     
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    What do Liberals have to do with this, other than their instituting of the seat-belt laws?
    We can all see that the cops acted unreasonably in this circumstance.
    So do you consider it intentional provocation to refuse any and every order given to you by a cop,
    no matter what that order is or if and how it may be justified?

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    Police are run by local governments, and they are one of the few necessary government functions.

    "Big Government" has to do with an insanely huge Federal Government that does things it has no business doing.

    Do you understand?
     
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    Police are necessary, authoritarian tactics are not.

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    Not any order. But this was a traffic stop. You are always expected to get out or roll your windows down when confronted by police. It would seem that these people did neither. This isn't anything out of the ordinary he asked them to do and they refused. I'm sorry you can't see that. It's common knowledge to just about anyone.
     
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    Excuse me sir but some straw popped out of the head there as you were attacking it. You should probably add a bit to the arms as well.
     
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    And breaking a window after over ten minutes of warning is NOT an authoritarian tactic.

    What do police do if they come to a door and say, "Police, Open up!!" They wait about ten SECONDS and then bust down the door if you don't open up. Happens every day.

    These cops waited THIRTEEN MINUTES and broke a window. And liberals are sniveling like morons about it.

    My Lord, all the people trying to say the police did something wrong are totally out of their minds.

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    Well, "common knowledge" has no meaning to leftwing liberals.
     
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    Big government institutes statutes the public is too weak to point out as unconstitutional - no-knock raids, contempt of cop charges that dismiss the 5th and 1st amendments, civil forfeiture statutes that allow the government to steal private property and detain it indefinately.

    Big government enables the DOD in the 60's and beyond to give hundreds of millions of dollars worth of surplus military gear to our PD's. Tax payer dollars hard at work!

    Big government enables SWAT teams to raid an estimated 80,000 homes and businesses every single year in the illegal war on drugs (read, war on US).

    THAT'S big government, and you're endorsing it.

    SICK.
     
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    With all the shootings and other attacks by police and wannabe police that have been in the news lately,
    I don't fault the family for being suspicious of the police officers' intentions.
    They rolled their window down far enough in order to do what the stop warranted.

    -Meta

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    You're saying its a straw-man? How so?

    -Meta
     
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    You seem to be confused. How often do the police come to someone house and break down the door without a warrant?
    I don't know what U.S.A you live in, but in the one I live in, people have rights.

    -Meta
     
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    Happens all the time, if they have "probable cause." Example: If the police are on the sidewalk and they hear a girl screaming, "Help, help, get off of me", and they run in and go to the apartment door, you bet your bippy they'll knock it down without a warrant. "Probable cause."

    Its you who are confused, not me.

    In this case, they had a report of an armed man with a gun, and now people in a car who refuse to get out. That's probable cause.
     
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    Come to think of it, I think there was a girl screaming in that video.
    Hmm,...now I wonder what it was she could have been screaming about....

    Source?

    -Meta
     
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    of course it is here you posted:

    So is it "provocation" if a police officer asks you to hand over all your money, and you refuse?

    -Meta
    # 639

    Then you posted : You're saying its ridiculous to consider refusing to hand over all your money to a cop as intentional "provocation"?

    -Meta

    Definition= a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted

    A fine example actually, but please continue dont let me stop you.
     
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    In order for something to be a straw-man it has to misrepresent another argument.

    You failed to post either of the original arguments or show how they were misrepresented. Seems you don't know what a straw-man is.
    Here, let me help you out. Two posters claimed that its "provocation" to refuse a police officer's requests.
    Do you agree with that?

    -Meta
     
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    Agreed. This was a case of a guy who didn't show his ID. Still worth tossing smoke grenades into cribs, busting down doors and shooting anyone who looks suspicious?

    Dude, we're talking about passenger who did nothing wrong except to not show ID. Is that worth beating him up and tazing him in your opinion?
     
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