29-yr old woman chooses to end her own life legally, in Oregon.

I'm not claiming otherwise.... but there is definately a difference in my sympathy towards a person in this girl's situation, vs "woe is me, I'm having money problems because I snorted away my wealth and my wife doesn't sleep with me anymore well, I'll show her" suicides.

situation like this girl's is tough.... I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole as to what I would do if a situation like hers affected me or my family personally.....


it's why, all I can do or say for her, is that I will pray for her and her family.


Tell me though.... what about medically induced coma's are those covered by insurance?

I mean... vs killing myself.... if I'm asleep the entire time til I die... it's not morally the same thing. But I'm also not suffering.

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I can't remember either... but it seemed her situation was used to validate his decision (like they could even compare the two situations)

 

""""Tell me though.... what about medically induced coma's are those covered by insurance?

I mean... vs killing myself.... if I'm asleep the entire time til I die... it's not morally the same thing. But I'm also not suffering."""

That is what this woman is doing....she's just cutting the coma short.

Your morals are not everyone's morals.

There is no reason for her to go into a long drawn out coma which drains her family emotionally and financially and you have no idea what a person feels or doesn't feel while in a coma.

 

I don't know, it was a genuine question.... I think, as an option for Christians like myself, that are not comfortable with suicide for ourselves.... I don't pretend to understand this woman's situation and am not questioning it at all..... I don't know what my values say about such situations when concerning her eternal soul.... but if I'm faced with her disease, or worse yet, my wife is.... I agree I don't want her suffering or to see her suffering.... but I also don't want her burning in Hell for eternity over 6 months of agony due to some rare disease..... medically induced comas would allow her incureable disease to run the course it was going to run whether she was awake for it and suffering, or asleep..... and she wouldn't be committing suicide either. it's win win for Christians not comfortable with suicide.

I know... but it's still suicide. I say that not in judgement, but being that it's suicide makes it not an option for Christians

I understand that... I'm not judging her. I'm trying to think of other options available. If medically induced coma is an option... then maybe it should be looked into.

except people who have come out of coma's aren't reporting that it was like being awake, but unable to move, or anything.

I see the argument about the effect on the family, emotionally, financially..... but as a Christian, I would rather do that option for my wife, rather than risk eternal damnation over 6 months.



now, none of those opinions apply to people like Robin Williams as he was not faced with a terminal disease like this lady.

 

We are ALL faced with a "terminal illness".... unless you have a secret recipe for living forever....



Do christians really believe in a such a cruel god that he'd condemn a person to eternal suffering because they didn't suffer enough in this life? Unbelievable barbarism !!!

Do christians and their god really place such emphasis on this life that they think people should desperately cling to it rather than go to the next, which they CLAIM is their goal ??

 

obvious Christian bashing aside.... IDK what the answer is to all the what-ifs about suicide and Heaven/Hell.... I know I was always taught suicide is like murdering someone (even if it's yourself), which is a sin, and since you can't ask forgiveness (since you're dead) it dooms you to Hell. I'd like to believe that this girl in the story, or cases like those who jumped from the WTC towers on 9/11, get an exception to the suicide rule, but I don't know. I supsect there is no way to 100% know until you are at judgement time....

but, I also don't want to gamble on such an important what-if..... And same with many Christians out there. Coma until your disease kills you is a loophole (for lack of a better term). If suffering is the issue you are trying to avoid from an incurable disease..... but suicide isn't an option.... a coma is. It's medically possible, is it not?


I can tell you, I'd be much more comfortable if my wife died in a medically induced coma than to medically assisted suicide in my mind because I could feel confident she's not going to be sent to hell over suicide.... yet she still doesn't suffer.

it's an exclusive club where requirements are demanded to enter. Like I said... to many what-ifs for me to say she should get a pass. I would personally, enjoy nothing more than when judgement day comes, for God to say..... "j/k.... everyone can come in"

 

We won't agree.


BTW, why do you keep bringing up your wife ?

 

We have pro-choice when it comes to deciding whether to take another person's life, but we don't have pro-choice when it comes to taking our own life. Polls say 76% of Americans do not support the right for individuals to take their own lives. I'm find that absolutely fascinating.

 

hoping!?!?!


jk



I'm just trying to try to show I'm not taking the conversation lightly and discuss how I would possibly react if I was faced with a situation like this.


if it's my wife.... it's personal. You mentioned, it would be emotionally stressful with a person in a coma, just being there, no closure sort of thing. I'm just saying, I'd rest easier if my wife chose the coma option vs suicide option because I don't have to lie in bed at night, wondering "did she get an exception to the suicide rule?"


if it were me in that girl's spot.... My wife and I could discuss why I'd rather go into a coma than suicide. you still (eventually) die with dignity.... and I wouldn't suffer, and our faith is not compromised with the decision.


All I can say about this story and the woman.... I'm praying for her, her soul.... and I'm praying it doesn't happen to me or my family. i wouldn't wish this situation on my worst enemy and for that, I'm truly sympathetic to her and her family

 

We are curiously inconsistent about this...

 

""" how I would possibly react if I was faced with a situation like this.""


OK, so what your wife would do would be up to her and what you would do would be up to you.
Just wanted to know if you were referring to yourself being in this situation.....it's too easy to dictate what others would or should do.

 

agreed, it would be.... but if you think we don't discuss and share similiar values and reasoning on such issues is simply not the case.


If she's in the situation, we would pray about it.... Ultimately, if she still decided to off herself.... I couldn't stop her. I may not agree with it... but if she up and moved to Seatle like this lady did (with her hubby), then not much I could do.

if I'm in the girl's position, then again, ultimately, it's my decision.... but again, my wife and I are going to be on the same page (hopefully).


I will say I am pretty curious to the husband's reaction and feelings about the situation. I'm sure he holds similiar beliefs as his wife and supports her... but there are so many questions I have for him, too. Because it def affects him too.

 

Canada's dealing with this issue today as well...Hope they approve it.






http://globalnews.ca/news/1611834/watch-supreme-court-to-hear-assisted-suicide-appeal/

 

But in the end it is the INDIVIDUAL's (male or female) right to decide........and no one should try to influence them.

Oh, and let's call the woman in the story a woman....not a girl.

 

still doesn't mean it should be govt sponsored or endorsed. A RIGHT means if a person can't afford the gun, the govt should provide it so they can off themselves.... or in this case, whatever deadly cocktail that is injected.



the woman/girl.... that wasn't meant to be a slight against her.... I have taught "kids" that are now about that age.... I find myself referring to them, despite their age, as "kids" all the time, not thinking about it.


29 y.o. is the age of the oldest student I've ever taught. if this "girl" was 28, or 30, I probably wouldn't have thought about it.




so you can put your defensive gaurd down about this 'girl'..... I'm not bashing her in ANY way.

 

Who said anything about government sponsored or endorsed???

I didn't....

 

it's not a cheap choice, life insurance wont cover the death unless you suffer, so sadly that plays into it, no one makes this choice lightly

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look at Arizona and you see that it is republicans that force people to die

 

I don't pretend to know if you're right or not, but if you are, then our medical ethics standards need to change. We have no issues euthanising our animals to prevent unnecessary and inevitable pain, in fact I'm quite sure some would argue it's immoral NOT to, I see no reason why the same standard can't be applied to humans. No, a person who just lost their job and is dealing with some temporary issues should not have this service available to them, but someone who is GOING to die a HORRIBLE death in the short term with ZERO hope to change that should.

 

Answer the door naked. They won't be back.

 

Wearing a pistol belt.

 

They actually came by here recently, but didn't knock, just left a flyer. My wife and many of my friends are (by pure coincidence) ex-JW's. They do in fact keep track of houses where people answer the door naked or are otherwise "hostile" and will not go back. I was actually disappointed, I so wanted to answer the door in my birfday suit.

 

I'm not saying anyone in her spot does make that choice lightly

well, we WERE doing very well actually discussing the issue without partisan politics....

 

No God or creator deserves your worship - you're an individual, act like one!

 

apparently 30% of people who recieve the fatal medication change their mind, so yes they don't make this choice lightly....

 

Polls disagree with you, its all in how that question is asked, 51 to 70% in favour.. http://www.gallup.com/poll/162815/support-euthanasia-hinges-described.aspx ....in canada opinion polls have indicated public support for assisted death go as high as 85%...