Part 26 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

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  1. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    I have understood every word you said that is why I am correcting all your contradictions and wrong claims that even a three year old would understand.
    You are lying to yourself first you justify tyrants like Stalin, Hitler, Mao etc, their excuses for killing Christians you just can't admit that those individuals were not ruling under God's authority just like others like you here have been claiming that they rule under God's authority instead of correcting them you make excuses and jump into their wagon of lies.

    Truth is that Christianity is the victim and savior of humanity that is why Christianity is targeted and hated by individuals like Stalin an atheist, Mao an atheist, Hitler a self proclaim god, ancient Caesars all self proclaim gods ruling under their own authority not God's show us that you understood this simple history.
     
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    Is that one of those unrecognized senses by the scientific community? Science only elaborates on 5 senses and "truth" is not one of them.
     
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    The world has become a better place because of Christians and we are happy to be part of that.
     
  4. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    For the sake of history, please go and learn some real history. Paul was talking about submitting to rulers who are ruling under God's Jesus Christ authority and since none of the rulers were ruling under Christ authority Paul would not be referring to them that is why the Roman rulers had him executed.

    You yourself admitted they were not ruling under God's authority and now you are saying that the people should submit to them because Paul was referring to those rulers??

    There were no Roman rulers zero rulers that ruled Christ authority of submitted them selves to Christ any rulers who submit to Christ are arrested and charge with treason.
    The charge against Christians for cannibalism is just an excuse to rile up the crowds against them that is why Christians were mercilessly hunted down, fed to wild beast, tortured and crucified just because they are Christians not because they refused to pay taxes, not because they led armed rebellion, not because of cannibalism but because they worship Jesus Christ and refused to submit to the authority of the Caesars.
    Now please make good use of the books and access to information and history to expand your education.
    Only dictators like Stalin and Hitler will demand that people like me go away.
     
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    thanks for sharing this great post with us
    ALWAYS GREAT POSTS
     
  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I tend to agree that your propositions are similar to that which comes out of such an orifice ?

    It is not opinion that you are a hypocrite. What comes out of your orifice is the definition of hypocrisy. Post the definition for hypocrisy as you like so much to do and you can prove this to yourself.

    Don't blame me for merely pointing this out to you.
     
  7. Incorporeal

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    What is there to blame? You merely are expressing your opinion and we all know what those are like. Besides.... "Reality can not be proven"... and neither can your opinions.

    BTW: I forgot to mention... we already know that you have admitted that it is common for your judgment to be in error.
     
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    There was no global flood so there is no reason to believe that God punished wicked and evil. The Genesis story was borrowed from Sumerian folklore.

    Not to the point of all people eating their babies. That is absurd.

    The second absurdity is that if such a thing did happen there would be no reason for God to destroy humanity because they would have already destroyed themselves by eating their babies.

    The third absurdity is to think that if this did happen that it would not have been mentioned.

    I am not the one making up stories that do not exist in scripture. There is no mention of baby eating in Genesis.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not denied that the rulers during Paul's time were anti Christian.

    It is you that is denying what is stated by Paul.

    Paul says " State Authority" in Korean this is: 국가 기관 gugga gigwan

    I have not distorted history. What history have I distorted ? Why are you making false claims about me ?

    What is evil is justifying killing children and babies. I do not do this. You do.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Perhaps you can explain to WR that in Romans 13 is referring to State Authorities including Caesar.

     
  11. Incorporeal

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    Is that the sole component or attribute of evil... the "justifying killing children and babies"?
    Here is another good one for you.
    현실은 입증 할 수 없습니다
     
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    Of course not. Evil has many faces and I have mentioned some of these things to you previously.

    One of the Faces of evil is that of the people that claim to speak for God. These people that claim to "speak in tongues" claiming that this is God speaking through humans.

    Another example would be someone who claims to have the correct interpretation of scripture through daily conversations with the Holy Spirit.

    Same evil garbage ... different pile.
     
  13. Incorporeal

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    I suppose now you are going to accuse the Apostle Paul as being "evil"?
    http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria=speak+with+tongues&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1

    Tongues and prophecy being gifts of the Holy Spirit
    1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:



     
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    Romans 13

    I would claim that some fool saying evil genocidal maniacs throughout history were "God's servants" and opposing these authorities is opposing what God has ordered is evil. Yup.
     
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    In the KJV the so called "state authorities" is rendered as "higher powers". Well, it is obvious that you are using some translation that reads differently than the KJV. So, there is this little problem that I have with modern translations. No one has authority over me other than Jesus and God. So, if one of those "state authorities' attempts to order me to perform some act that is contrary to what Jesus teaches.. they are just SOL.
    [FONT=ARIAL,HELVETICA,SANS-SERIF]If ever the law of God and man are at variance, the former are to be obeyed in derogation of the later.
    [/FONT]Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.


     
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    Am I to believe in something for which there is no evidence whatever. A Rabbi - Yes. A Messiah - No. 1/3 of the world are not practising Christians. Many are nominal Christians. The name means nothing. The practise does. Going to Church means nothing. Practise does. Your posting on here means nothing. Practise does.

    If you were to stand at the edge of a very steep cliff where you couldn't see the bottom and someone came along and said 'Jump, there's a safety net that will catch you', would you jump?

    Christianity relies solely on the words of a Rabbi. No prophecies in the OT of a Christian Messiah. The words and actions of a very wise man.

    If you studied outside the Bible you would know that the writers of some of the Gospels and some of Paul's letters are questionable but you don't dare because it's disturbing. If you studied you would know the translation errors in the Bible, the events that did not occur as recorded, mistakes that are made. But your indoctrination is complete.
     
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    The reality is that you cannot prove.
     
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    Cannot prove what? What reality. According to Giftedone, "Reality can not be proven." Gee.. are you seeing the problem now with WR and his broken English? Hope others are paying attention. Seemingly you know how to use the translator. The actual English input was "Reality can not be proven."
     
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    You are either plain stupid or playing games. If you have read and understood what I have said what you have posted is complete nonsense. Nowhere have I justified targetting Christians. Apart from Stalin none did, and if you read history you will see just how wrong you are.

    What others say is up to them. I haven't said it therefore please 'unjump' me from the wagons.

    Your little game is gradually unravelling. I'd give up before you make a complete fool of yourself.
     
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    I know Korean like the back of my hand. Come to think of it, I haven't studied the back of my hand recently. :wink:
     
  21. Mitt Ryan

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    Well a statement that he made certainly appears he believed in God. Let me bring up that statement of his:

    "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."

    Do you know why Einstein said what he said?...well I'll tell you what's behind that statement because it appears you have no clue.

    Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity means that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed (Einstein was originally a pantheist). His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect—something brought it into existence. Einstein disliked his end result so much that he introduced a “fudge factor” into his theory that allowed for an eternal universe. But there was only one problem. His fudge factor required a division by zero in his calculations—a mathematical error any good math student knows not to make. When discovered by other mathematicians, Einstein admitted his error calling it “the greatest blunder of my life.” After his acknowledgment, and upon confirming further research that showed the universe expanding just as his theory of relativity predicted, Einstein bowed to the fact that the universe is not eternal and said, "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."

    And so for his own sake, hopefully before his death he converted over to Christianity, if he was wise enough to do that.

    We already know he was a brilliant physicist but being brilliant does not necessarily equate to being wise as well.

    Then he could ask God face to face the question that has baffled his brilliant mind from the day he learned the universe had a beginning and it was not a cause and not eternal as he once believed it to be but it was one big effect that was brought into existence.

    Of course God's explanation is going to be way over Einstein's mind to comprehend...lol

    He'll probably say to the Lord, "That's ok you don't need to explain it to me, btw I really like the accomodations here."...lol
     
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    Among the many FALSEHOODS that MittRyan has propagated....let's clear up his Signature Line and Albert Einstein and what he posted above... QUOTE-

    "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

    - Albert Einstein to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949, quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic magazine, Vol. 5, No. 2


    Oh, and by the way, on Lord Kelvin?

    "X-rays will prove to be a hoax." ---Lord Kelvin (Sir William Thomson)
     
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    You're still caught in that quandry of the bible contradicting itself. MR and Inc are caught in the same quandry.
    God killed all on earth in noah's flood story, cept for ark creatures. Children, babies, and fetuses. They weren't all eaten prior to the flood.

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    What broken english. In the last few months many of his posts have been near perfect. In such break neck speed. After years of posting terrible broken english with not one iota of improvement.
    Oh, it's a miracle?
     
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    Example. Except for 1 run on sentence. Near perfect english writing.
     
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    Is Job 34:30 more supreme than any Thing repugnant to our supreme law of the land?
     
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