The Senate report reveals cruelty and dishonesty

So people who have panic attacks from a movie their friends said they would love without telling them it was a horror movie where tortured by the movie maker or their friends?

 

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction......"

No, demonstrates you dont comprehend even the meaning of simple words like "and"

 

Horror movies tend not to have potentially fatal consequences...

 

Waterboarding doesnt have fatal consequences. They even used sterile saline solution instead of tap water to avoid even the slight risk of infection from tap water.

 

Yes it is. Exactly why America did it.
Failure to prevent injustice reflects just as poorly as actually committing the injustice.

 

You're acting like a disgusting individual.
I don't need to remind you that you're better than this.

 

Q: Was it painful?
A: Not so painful, but one becomes unconscious. Like drowning in the water.
http://www.lawofwar.org/Water_Torture_Article.htm

 

So here we are with your insults again. I understand and just fine. Are you a US citizen?

 

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

If you filed a tax return, or if you requested a social security number, if you have a driver's license, got a marriage license, opened a bank account, filled out a 1040, registered to vote, took the pledgee of allegiance, in the United States then you have declared you are a US citizen and you are subject to. You are also an enemy of the United States government. The United States government declared you as such in the trading with the enemy act. They can torture any US citizen any time they want and not one court will do anything about it because it was out of necessity for the state.

 

Are you happy now. The amendment doesn't "make you" you make you. That was the only thing wrong with my first post. Otherwise if you have declared your US citizenship then you are "subject to" The reason I said it makes you is because people don't know they are handing over their freedom, but I clearly understand the law. Thank you for showing me that you already knew this. Now I know you're a loyalist.

 

Correct, the 14th amendment is completely irrelevant to your absurd claims.

That AND the absurd allegation of slavery.

Actually, setting foot within the US brings you under the jurisdiction of US law. It does not however impose slavery upon you.

 

Like I said, you apparently are unfamiliar with psychological pain.

From your own link:

http://lawofwar.org/Protected%20Persons.htm#Torture

Might want to review this before trying to insist that waterboarding isn't torture.

 

No you are lying because it creates a new citizen. That new citizen is the enemy of the state.

another lie the act of being subject to is enslavement. The legal definition says " enslaved, crushed, conquered, subjugated, oppress, rule over.... it goes on with more. But those prove my point.

You may be right I don't know about that and that is not my concern.

 

Now that is an amusingly nonsensical comparison.

Bet it makes perfect sense to you.

 

Now that I think about it this is a lie to. A sovereign is not subject to anyone. Diplomatic immunity. Anyone that works in the United States is subject to its jurisdiction. Or any one brought into court will be subject to.

 

That's not how the vast majority of American's feel. In fact 69% of Americans think Fienstien and the senate Democrats were completely wrong to release the report.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...rs_put_public_safety_ahead_of_cia_disclosures

Now with Sydney in the news, who know how many such terrorist attacks were stopped by the enhanced interrogations. Are you willing to sacrifice American lives to uphold you view of what shouldn't have happened? What you tell the families of the dead" That we had ideals to uphold which in your view was more important.

 

Sounds like this is really a "christian" nation as some claim.....

 

If you act like a terrorist you are a terrorist.

If you let fear obliterate morals and ethics and humanity you are not moral, ethical, and the lowest of humans.

 

subject verb bring under domination, bring under rule, cause to undergo, conquer, control, crush, defeat, dominate, enslave, enthrall, expose, get the better of, govern, hold down, hold in bondage, hold in subbection, humble, keep down, make liable, make submissive, make subordinate, make subservient, master, obnoxium reddere, oppress, overcome, overmaster, overthrow, quell, repress, rule, subdue, subicere, subjugate, subordinate, suppress, tame, triumph over, vanquish, worst.

Subject to adj. The acquisition of title, of real property.

SUBJECT, contracts. The thing which is the object of an agreement. This term is used in the laws of Scotland.
SUBJECT, persons, government. An individual member of a nation, who is subject to the laws; this term is used in contradistinction to citizen, which is applied to the same individual when considering his political rights.
2. In monarchical governments, by subject is meant one who owes permanent allegiance to the monarch. Vide Body politic; Greenl. Ev. Sec. 286; Phil. & Am. on Ev. 732, n. 1.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/subject

 

One of your leading republicans does not agree with you:
McCain said he had “vigorous discussion” with former Vice President Dick Cheney and former Central Intelligence Agency Director Michael Hayden during the Bush administration urging them not to use excruciating methods.

“I said these things are torture. They’re in violation of the Geneva Convention and the convention against torture,” he said on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” noting that Congress later banned some of the techniques that were under debate.

“I urge everyone to just read the report,” he said, making reference to a Senate Intelligence Committee report that Republican leaders panned last week as an attempt to smear the Bush administration.

“You can’t claim that tying someone to the floor and have them freeze to death is not torture. You can’t say 183 times someone is waterboarded,” he said.

McCain noted that waterboarding was used during the Spanish Inquisition and the United States tried and executed Japanese officers as war criminals for using waterboarding.

No doubt that you will ignore this too.

 

But nothing there supports your assertion. Notice they didn't even include waterboarding and yet they did include "near drowning through submersion in water"

 

McCain is old, he has seniority. He is Republican in name only and has always been known as such.

 

You are so tunnel visioned and looking foolish. Nice own goal. Again , from your own link:

To provide the requisite clarity for purposes of domestic law, the United States therefore conditioned its ratification upon an understanding that, in order to constitute torture, .......... (3) the threat of imminent death;



A piece of cloth is held tightly over the face, and water is poured onto the cloth. Breathing is extremely difficult and the victim will be in imminent fear of death by asphyxiation.

 

the law defines torture, the CIA broke the law...simple.

 

Okay, so much for answering the questions. Slogans are nice, but slogans do not save lives. So one more time, Are you willing to sacrifice American lives to uphold your views on moral and ethical standards? And if so what would you tell the families of the dead?