Obama is the worst negotiator ever, U.S. didn't get anything from Cuba

How many times should we make the same mistake? Cuba is not China and we have a much better chance of getting things we want from Fidel than we did from Mao himself. There were very real geopolitical reasons to deal with China. With Cuba? Not at all.

The obscene joke is in throwing away fifty years of policy and getting nothing in return for it. The obscene joke is in rewarding one of the most repressive regimes on the planet without one single concession in return.

You can ask the refugees who lived under both regimes about that.

 

50 years of policy...WTF?

 

Capitalism is useless to the right; i got it.

 

Why should we trade anything to normalize relations?

 

Capitalism is useless to the right; i got it.

 

Why should we trade and pander to a ruthless Communist regime????

 

Because the left knows capitalism can result in mutually beneficial and voluntary Trade as any form of Individual Liberty; Capitalism is only useless to the right.

 

Cuba has nothing of value.

 

Capitalism is only useless to the right; i got it.

 

Castro isn't going allow capitalism to flourish in his country.

He already stated that he's going to tax the worker's money from foreign countries by 92%.

The Castro brothers own everything in Cuba. All the money that flows into Cuba will go to the Castro regime.

That's not capitalism.

Get back to me when the Castro regime allows private property rights.

Get back to me when the Castro regime allows for free and fair elections.

Get back to me when the Castro regime allows for free speech and freedom of the press.

Get back to me when the Castro regime allows for freedom and liberty in general.

 

Not only is capitalism useless to the right, understanding the concepts is too much to ask from the right; i got it.

You may be overlooking the cost of living as compared to here.

And, what is wrong with building reserves with which to make more money, with an official Mint at their disposal, to better achieve this social objective:

did i mention Capitalism is only useless to the right, not to the left.

 

There was no chance that we could get more than we did. Cuba hadn't budged in 54 years, and it wouldn't budge for another 54. Throwing away 54 years of failed policy is the only thing that makes any sense.

 

when you stop with the strawman ill glady step down as the adult.

 

Cubans are living in an inferior cultural atmosphere (inferior to the western culture of course), it would be most unwise for them to take hold of their own fate. The best solution to prescribe for them should be that of an elite rule.

Doesn't matter. Only a typical liberal/leftie idiot believe that if you try "hard" enough, you can stop the exchange of goods and services. East Germany used to have an underground market where you can buy literally everything for a reasonable price — it cease to exist after the reunification. And look how expensive shizzles in Germany are these days.

They don't want and need that. They need material well-beings. Freedom and liberty can wait. Just like the former soviet union members. Freedom is nothing if you can't even bring enough food on the table.

I think living in sthole like Cuba is enough a punishment for them.

 

No. The obscene joke is doing the same thing for 50 years without any positive results and thinking another few months or years will make a difference.

 

You are a victim of your own cloudy left wing thinking.
The very fact that the Castros are happy and eager to open up their island to normalized relations with the hated US Yanquis demonstrates how effective the long term sanctions against Cuba have been.
You must believe that sanctions equal regime change and anything less is failure. That's on you.

 

And you are a victim of binary thinking that everything is a 0 or a 1. Don't think I can be labeled.

They'll both be dead soon enough, who (*)(*)(*)(*)ing cares.

 

Regardless what you fancy yourself to be the idea that fifty years of sanctions
in Cuba are a "failure" is a left wing meme designed to get Cuba all it wants without giving up anything.
And that's failure in and of itself.

A person with half a brain should.
Unless the rulers of the Cuban police state all decide to change their stripes magically when the Castro brothers die there are plenty of people left in power in Cuba willing to carry on the Castro regime. Don't be absurd.