Is This The Beginning Of The End For The Dollar?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The following in your link might be the reason the US and the EU have been acting so stupidly, and are so intent on putting Russia under its thumb with a regime change.


    Not so long ago, British scientists have successfully come to the same conclusion, as was published in the Conclusion of the U.S. Geological survey a few years ago. Namely: Europe will not be able to survive without energy supply from Russia. Translated from English to any other language in the world it means: “The world will not be able to survive if oil and gas from Russia is subtracted from the global balance of energy supply”.

    Thus, the Western world, built on the hegemony of the petrodollar, is in a catastrophic situation. In which it cannot survive without oil and gas supplies from Russia.
     
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    Global research is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing joke. The US is poised to become a net energy exporter, nobody will need Russian energy in the long term, they will be even more isolated than they are now and they can enjoy choking on their oil that nobody wants.
     
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    Yeah.. I'll bet Tony Cartalucci of the Land Destroyer Report has spent all of 4 days in Arabia and never bothered to talk with any of the 40,000 Americans living there... or any of the thousands who have spent 30 years or more there. Its an easy gig, you know.. People will believe ANYTHING about those mysterious Saudis.

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    Global Research is a joke... always has been.
     
  4. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually getting off the petrodollar was a response to the sanctions imposed on Russia. The Brics planned on getting off the petrodollar, but they assumed that it would take at least ten years or more. Even now it can't be rushed because it will cause economic chaos.

    Putin did not respond to the second set of sanctions, and afterwards warned them that if there were more sanctions Russia's response would be painful. That's when he dropped the economic 'nuclear' bomb and went off the Petrodollar. The Brics welcomed it because they needed Putin's leadership to alleviate the distrust that existed between China and India.

    You are right though, there is an economic war going on and it started with the sanctions, just the way the war in Ukraine started with the Washington led coup. But I think these things were preplanned by Washington because they feared Russia's control of so much gas and oil.
     
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    Sorry that's crazy.. Its a great place to raise a family...

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    The US doesn't buy Russian oil or gas.. LOLOL..
     
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    The US doesn't buy Russian oil or gas.. LOLOL..

    Tell me when Russia controls 30 million bpd.............
     
  7. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When Putin went to China they signed fifty deals, and then in Shanghai they signed another thirty deals. The two countries now are united in almost everything. I have here a download of what it entails from the Saker:

    https://www.mediafire.com/folder/fpid1fhd6nv59/China_Russia_Double_Helix
     
  8. Woogs

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    (charts at link)
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    http://orientalreview.org/2014/09/2...s-years-of-negative-gdp-growth-in-eu-and-usa/

    In a groundbreaking study Awara Group reveals that the real GDP growth of Western countries has been in negative territory for years. Only by massively loading up debt have they been able to hide the true picture and delay the onset of an inevitable collapse of their respective economies. The study shows that the real GDP of those countries hides hefty losses after netting the debt figures, which gives the Real-GDP-net-of-debt.

    The moral of the study is that it is that GDP growth figures as such reveal very little about the underlying dynamics of an economy if one does not simultaneously attempt to analyze what part of the growth is credited to simply artificially fueling the economy with new loans.

    The study has found that the Western countries have lost the capacity to grow their economies. All they have left is a capacity to pile up debts. By massively accumulating new debt, they are able to keep up a semblance of at least sluggish growth, or of hovering around the zero growth mark.

    If this massive debt would go towards investments, then there would be nothing wrong with it. But, it is not. The debt is going towards financing the losses in the national economies and essentially it all is wasted on consumption that the countries in reality cannot

    afford. The Western countries act like a 19 th century heir to aristocratic wealth, borrowing from year to year to keep up the former lifestyle, while the estate is relentlessly dwindling. Sooner or later the prodigal heir would be forced to face reality and sell the remaining property to stave off the creditors, downgrade his dwellings, and rein in spending. Inevitably, the European countries and the USA will have to curb their excessive consumption, too, but for the time being they are putting off the final reckoning with new debt rather the way a drunkard reaches for the morning after drink to put off sobering up. In the case of the EU and the USA, we are speaking about a debt binge that has been going on for a decade.

    While the situation has been generally bad for the last decade or so, it took a dramatic turn for the worse, or should we say for the catastrophic, following the onset of the global financial crisis in 2008. The shocking figures depicting the virtual crippling of the Western economies from 2009 to 2013 are illustrated in Chart 1. It depicts the development of real-GDP-growth per country in years 2005 to 2013. The chart shows that during this period Russia has been able to deliver real non-debt fueled GDP growth, whereas the Western countries are running huge deficits. The accumulated growth of the Russian economy from 2005 to 2013 was 147% while the Western countries accumulated losses from 16.5% (Germany) to 58% (USA). In the case of Russia, the real-GDP-net-of-debt figure is also corrected to adjust for the calculation error caused by an erroneous GDP deflator that Russian Statistics Agency (Rosstat) has used. We have discussed the persistent problem of Russia’s GDP growth having been underestimated due to the use of a wrong GDP deflator in the study Awara Group Research on the Effects of Putin’s Tax Reforms 2000-2012 on State Tax Revenue and GDP

    Chart 2 shows the real GDP growth net-of-debt after deducting the growth of public debt from the GDP figure. Net of debt we see the scale of the Western economies, for example the Spanish economy, which amounts to the staggering figure of minus 56.3%. This while the conventional official method of crediting GDP growth with growth of debt would give only minus 6.7%.

    The analysis shows that by these measures Russian economic growth, unlike that of the Western countries, has been comparatively healthy and not debt-driven. Russia has in fact a resoundingly positive ratio by these measures, where GDP growth has exceeded growth of debt by a staggering 14 times (1400%). The figure is astonishing when compared with the Western countries that have been flooded with new debt.

    Chart 3 shows how much the accumulation of debt in the Western countries exceeds the official GDP growth. The USA is leading the pack with an increase in the debt load in years 2004 to 2013 of USD 9.8 trillion (in the chart in euros, EUR 7 trillion). In those years, the growth of the USA public debt exceeded the GDP growth 5 times, which is illustrated by Chart 4, comparing the proportion of growth of debt to that of growth of GDP.

    The comparison of growth of debt to growth of GDP reveals the UK, as the country that has amassed the most amount of new debt relative to GDP growth, having a new-debt-to-GDP-growth ratio of 9 to 1; in other words UK has taken on 900% new debt relative to the GDP growth. But the picture is grim for all the Western countries surveyed, less so for Germany, while Russia’s debt increase amounts to only a fraction of the GDP growth.

    The analysis shows that by these measures Russian economic growth, unlike that of the Western countries, has been comparatively healthy and not debt-driven. Russia has in fact a resoundingly positive ratio by these measures, where GDP growth has exceeded growth of debt by a staggering 14 times (1400%). The figure is astonishing when compared with the Western countries that have been flooded with new debt.

    The above figures are adjusted taking into account public debt (general government debt), but the situation is even worse when we consider the effect of private debt on the GDP. New debt of corporations and households have at least doubled private debt of most of the Western countries since year 1996 (Chart 5).

    Reviewing these figures, it becomes evident that in reality Western economies have not grown in the past decade, rather the countries have massively inflated their debt load. With these levels of debt reached this cannot continue for long. There is a real risk that the bluff will be called sooner rather than later dropping the Western economies to GDP levels that they can carry without debt leverage. But in that situation they will not be able to serve the accumulated debts leading to catastrophe scenarios.

    We have not included Japan and China in the analysis due to the difficulties attributed to finding consistent data for all the input variables. For those countries we have come across problems of fractured data that do not capture all the relevant years; inconsistent data across the samples we looked at; and uncertainties about conversion of the input data into euros. (We are sure that major research houses could overcome such problems, having greater and more sophisticated resources than ours). This exclusion of Japan and China is regrettable as Japan is the country worst affected by the problem of debt-fueled GDP growth, having a public debt to GDP ratio of well above 200%, and would therefore have been very instructive for our purposes.

    Japan has been essentially living on debt since the early 1990’s. However, some of the more irrational Western analysts want to take Japan as a prime example to follow, arguing that since Japan has been able to pile up debt for some 25 years now, all the Western countries would be able to do it as well for the foreseeable future. In this they fail to grasp that Japan earlier had the luxury of being the sole country living on such exorbitant levels of debt. Japan has enjoyed great support from the Western countries to be able to continue that practice, not least for political reasons. Another important consideration against the idea that Western countries could continue to accumulate debt is that they have, since the early 1990’s, rapidly lost their economic hegemony in terms of share of world trade and global GDP. I have written about this in a recent article entitled Why the West is Destined to Decline

    The West is fast shrinking in economic significance relative to the rest of the world. This is demonstrated by comparing the GDP of the Western powers as represented by the G7 countries (USA, Japan, Germany, France, UK, Italy and Canada) with the GDP of emerging powers. As recently as 1990, the combined GDP of the G7 was overwhelming in relation to that of today’s 7 emerging powers: China, India, Russia, Brazil, Indonesia, Mexico and South Korea (not necessarily constituting one political block). In 1990, the G7 countries had a combined GDP of USD 14.4 trillion and the emerging 7 had a GDP of USD 2.3, but by 2013 the tables had been turned, as the G7 had USD 32 trillion and the emerging 7 had USD 35 trillion. (Chart 6).

    With the challenge of the ever increasing share of world economy belonging to the emerging countries, it becomes clear that the Western countries will not be able to profit sufficiently from world trade to service their debt loads.

    For the time being the Western countries benefit from the privilege of having currencies that the rest of the world still largely trusts as reserve currencies. In essence, the USD and the euro enjoy a kind of monopoly status. This is what allows Western countries to gain access to cheap debt and fuel their economies with central bank financing (quantitative easing or “printing of money”). But the risk is that, with the deteriorating debt situation and diminishing share of the global economy, they will forfeit this privilege, perhaps even in the near future. What would follow from this is sharply more expensive financing and inflation, with hyperinflation as the eventual outcome. In this scenario – which I consider inevitable over the next 5 to 10 years – the economies of Western countries would essentially collapse.

    The problem is that there is no way of averting this scenario, because the Western powers have lost their competitive advantages as economic powers. Eventually, their economies must shrink to match their resource and population bases. (I have written about this in the article referred to above). But it seems that the ruling Western elites have no intention of facing up to these realities. They will try to keep up a semblance of prosperity with ever new debt, as long as they can. The political parties of the West have been essentially converted into voting machines with one singular concern – that of winning the next elections. To do that they will continue to engage in what amounts to bribing of the electorate – creating new debt that fuels the national economy.

    But there is no way to turn back this historical tide. Just as the aristocrat of the old regime eventually squandered his legacy, so will the Western powers. This inevitability of the process is what makes it really scary, because I am afraid that the Western elite might be tempted to bail itself out from this doomsday scenario with a war of epic proportions. We are now truly approaching the Armageddon between the West, with its desperate economic circumstances, and the emerging world powers.
     
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    What will happen is inflation,... very high or runaway inflation in Europe and America.
    That will be followed by a power grab similar to what happen in Germany around 1933.
     
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    Sure, I expect you're correct in saying that recent moves by Russia have been accelerated by US sanctions, at the very least. I recall talk of Russia and China preparing to move away from the petrodollar prior to all this nonsense, but of course the actual timing is another matter to consider.

    We can say that the economic war started with US sanctions, but this has also been brewing for a long time, I'm sure. It's like trying to identify the one shot fired that touched off World War I (seems the killing of Franz Ferdinand has gotten the honor in the eyes of most historians).. The war was bound to start sooner or later, which makes that chosen act less significant than some might think. It's one of many sequentially toppled dominoes. The question in my mind is how far and to what end will this lead us?
     
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    No doubt, the end of the dollar is right around the corner.... it's trading at multiyear high though so obviously all those governments, banks, multibillion dollar brokerages and hedge funds have no clue and keep buying the dollar as is there is no tomorrow.

    And the only people who can correctly interpret political and financial events and anticipate the end of the dollar are not their analysts but anonymous pro-Russian bloggers. It's just too bad they are not available for hire, they are already too busy trolling for Putin... lol
     
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    "the US really screwed itself in going after Russia, which it has been doing for years." Woogs

    Actually, it's part of the process of giving the royal shaft to the American People.
    Guess who gets the gold while we lay broken at the bottom of the shaft?
     
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    The west did not lower oil prices.
    The Saudi's and Qatar refused to cut production.
    And not to punish Putin for his entrance into the Ukraine.
    They are inflicting damage to Russia for their support of Assad.
    And hurting shale oil production in the US at the same time.

    max
     
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    History tells us what always happens.

    It is part of the ongoing cycle of a rising, strong, economically successful patriarchy that becomes feminized internally.
    It is changed into a weak, politically correct thinking, anti-war, spoiled nation of socialistic minded peoples filled up with bastard kids, raised in single mother homes who will neither be loyal to the military nor avoid criminal behavior within.

    Surrounded by neighboring patriarchies who envy and plot against them, they are invaded as they all apart themselves from internal expenses and anti-social behaviors.
    In this case, with the Pan American Empire, the two oceans have served to stretch the process out, way longer than ever before, and the gigantic modern capabilities have protected the country from actions like 911 occurring more frequently.
    But the repeat of this Patriarch VS Matriarchy syndrome demands a wake up call, and the immediate recognition of what happens over and again with every empire or ruling power that has risen up, only to fall down the same way over and again.
     
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    In a capitalist system, all oil and gas goes into the same pot. The US may not directly buy from Russia, but countries will buy from the cheapest source, so those countries will buy from Russia which will effect the US export of oil and gas. It balances out in the end. If the price drops far enough the US will import (which I believe it is doing at the moment) as shale gas/oil is currently more expensive to produce.
     
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    I know oil is fungible... however, OPEC controls 30 million bpd... and China has oil operations in Libya, all over Africa, in Yemen and Cuba... So ... Russia is not exactly in the catbird seat.
     
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    Not sure about whether high inflation occurring in Europe and America but almost certainly in Russia. This is mirroring the start of WWII as you've implied. It seems like no one ever takes notice of past history - they continue with the same policies over and over again but expecting a different result and act surprised when the "S**t hits the fan" once again.
     
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    Well, the only similarity is that Germany in 1930 and Russia of today is that they are broke.

    Germany had massive war reparations, the sanctions Russia is under now are not even close to equal
     
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    If Obama remains president yes, he is too busy worrying about poor people and running the economy dry,I would support a second civil war to impeach Obama
     

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