Drug Testing OK for Job Applicants, Unconstitutional for Welfare Applicants

We can't make any sense out of this, so we turn to the Liberals here at PF to explain it to us.

You want money you didn't earn, to be taken from someone who did earn it, and this exempts you from drug testing how? But people who want to earn money, who want to work for it are subject to drug testing?

'Logic' like this definitely needs a liberal, so, help us out here!

 

poor people can relax and have a dubbie at a friends house when they are down on their luck, or disabled, I have no issues with that, any more then if they have a beer

it's a cheap escape from reality, they obviously can't afford a cruise to Hawaii or something to relax

now if they come in to apply and are intoxicated, then you call the cops, public intoxication is a crime

and for drug testing, I do not agree with testing to see if someone has done drugs in the last month, to see if they are intoxicated right this min is one thing, not a test for sometime in their own free time in the last month, but there needs to be probably cause, not just random testing

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The federal government does not have the Constitutional authority to regulate substances, except as they may pertain to interstate commerce, and in cases of demonstrable national security risk.

Corporations are not subject to any such restrictions, they are free to test or not test their employees as they see fit (with certain exceptions, like certain states have laws that prevent the penalization of people on psych meds, and even medical marijuana patients may eventually be included in this class).

 

when I got my nose cauterized, they used a spray can of cocaine to numb it first, had I been tested by my job after, should I lose my job?

side note : I bet they keep that can under lock and key......


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Job applicants are drug tested? Seriously?

That seems a breech of every privacy law I can think of. How do employers get away with it?

Philosophically, why do your citizens tolerate it? The appearance of anachronistic labor practices like that are swiftly reported and brought to court here. But that only happens because such invasions of privacy have long been outlawed - again because the citizenry agreed via vote and union action to dispense with them.

 

Spray cocaine? I've never even heard of that. But yeah, you're probably right about that being under lock and key.

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Some jobs do, not all. In fact my manager's(ex manager anyway)son applied for Burger King and they drug tested him. That's one place I didn't think would do it.

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I was originally for it until I had learned that. What's the point of testing if it's going to cost even more money?

 

I'm a libertarian, but heres my opinion;

Depends what the welfare is for. If its for temporary unemployment relief, I agree, you should be drug free - since the money shouldnt be for anything other than keeping you alive and helping you to find another job. If its money to assist the disabled then they should be allowed to take drugs as they may not be able to get a job and cant obtain money to spend on things outside of basic necessities.

As for the private sector, if an employer wants to test you, they can. If you dont agree, that's fine, go find another job. Simple.

 

As a Tea Party person I would have to agree with you on this. The amount of return for the cost is not justified. If corporations want to pay for it, which they do, then so be it but the taxpayer should not be paying for it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauterization

"cocaine being the only local anesthetic which also produces vasoconstriction,[9] making it ideal for controlling nosebleeds"

probably the only medical use for it that is allowed....

the procedure sucks, and they do not give you enough to get high though... lol

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If they drug tested posters here, this place would only have conservatives.

 

So then why are they allowed to test people for drugs at jobs?

 

they should not be able to unless a person shows signs of being intoxicated imo

random drug tests are basically saying, your not intoxicated now, but we want to know if your smoke some pot during the weekend on your time off

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if we had a test to eliminate Alcoholics, this place would only have democrats.

see reason, we can make stuff up too....

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What on god's green earth are you trying to convey? First, sort out your thoughts. Then compose a semi-rational, sourced statement. Then expect cogent responses.

Until then, you look like an utter fool.

And Thomas Sowell is a lying, incongruous, uncle tom. I can prove that. Good day.

 

It probably was not cocaine. Cocaine is not recognized as a medicinal drug. Last I checked, it was illegal to use it as part of licensed medical practice.

 

republicans like the op think the gov making people drop their pants and pee in a cup should be allowed without probable cause

it said Cocaine right on the can, it most definitely was pure Cocaine

and I gave a link showing that it's medical use for that purpose was valid..... one of the only recognized medical uses

this was about 25 years ago, they may have outlawed it now due to the war on drugs (not sure) as they have come up with an alternative now called "silver nitrate" it seems ....

not sure if silver nitrate works as well or not, but pro prohibitionist do not care about that, they just want to outlaw all drugs period and say they have no medical purpose.. even if they do....

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Deadbeats have rights. Taxpayers working, not so much.

 

the answer is to give the working class back their rights, not to take away rights from another group.....

prohibitionists want a nanny government and think the American people have no rights.....

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Gee, nobody else seemed to have any problem understanding the point. Maybe it's just you.

"And Thomas Sowell is a lying, incongruous, uncle tom. I can prove that. Good day."

How the hell can a man be incongruous?

in·con·gru·ous
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not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.
"the duffel coat looked incongruous with the black dress she wore underneath"
synonyms: out of place, out of keeping, inappropriate, unsuitable, unsuited; More

As for uncle tom (sic), we found this definition with which we agree whole-heartedly...

Perfect!

 

new to the planet aren't you?

 

I've been wondering that myself. From the court decisions I've read about, it's been on 4th Amendment grounds, but I'm not clear why that would be since when you apply for benefits, you have to take affirmative actions and meet the requirements in order to qualify. You don't have a "right" to welfare. No one is barging into your home, demanding you pee in a cup.

 

Why are we dragging the constitution into this. This is in the purview of the legislative branch at either the state or federal level.

What we need to ask is whether it is good public policy to drug test for access to economic safety net and to which parts of that safety net.

We then to ask if it is good public policy to allow employers to screen applicants based on drug tests. Do not ask about privacy rights. Ask about an entitlement to privacy, and how we measure its value over an entitlement by employers to better screen their investment in personnel.

The questions are about whether these are good sensible bills to pass and whether they are better suited for the state or federal legislature.

 

X-Ray Spex: ""And Thomas Sowell is a lying, incongruous, uncle tom. I can prove that. Good day."

I realize racist leftists hate blacks but I'm eagerly awaiting your proof.

 

For the safety of others.... out here in Big Foot country w/all the logging going on, clean and sober employees is an absolute necessity.

 

Drug test Congress and the president, or ban pre-employment drug testing for everyone else.