Governing outside the Constitution...Why have a Congress?

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  1. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Regimes latest abuses have me thinking, just exactly what does the Congress do today? Think about it. The Congress has 3 major jobs..

    (1) They 'legislate' (write the laws), but do they any longer? I cannot think of a single major bit of legislation that had any real affect in years. The executive branches 'regulators' write the laws. Just in the last few weeks we have the FCC grabbing control of the Internet and the BATF banning the most popular rifle ammo. Neither of those actions was legislated by the Congress, could be approved by Congress or even debated! The regulators simply did it. If the Congress goes to our corrupt courts for relief, the Courts more often than not, simply dismiss the suit claiming the Congress has no 'standing' to bring the suit. Apparently having Congressional Constitutional power taken by the Regime is not a harm to the institution.

    (2) They have 'The Power of the purse', but do they. As we are seeing with the DHS funding fight, almost all Federal funding is hard wired to programs. The Congress seems to be only able to add money, never reduce it and if they refuse to fund a program, the Regime claims apocalyptic doom, the media agrees and the Congress immediately runs away from their responsibility. Even if the Congress does legislate and assign funding, nothing stops the Regime from ignoring limits and simply funding things as the regime desires. The Regime spent some $3,000,000,000 (billion) on ObamaCare that was not in any funding measure in the bill...they simply decided they needed the money and spent it, and now refuses to discuss the abuse with Congress...

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/t...billion-in-obamacare-payments/article/2560739

    (3) They have confirmation power....I cannot remember the last time a major candidate for a senior position was rejected by the Senate. Some have their nomination pulled and more remove themselves from consideration but that is more due to the media revealing their flaws and positions than any Senate procedure. Almost none are actually rejected by the Senate. The Senate is simply a rubber stamp for the Regime.

    Heck, how many readers are aware the FCC refused to attend an oversight hearing this week on the internet power grab?

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech...refuses-to-testify-on-net-neutrality-20150225

    Seriously, why have a Congress when all it does is talk and eat money for salaries and benefits...Just send them home and use the Capitol as a homeless shelter and the various Congressional Office buildings as condo's and warehouses...
     
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    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    President Obama doesn't think he should have to work with a Congress.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not angry with Obama...It is like sticking ones arm into the bear cage and then being offended when the bear snacks. No, my anger is with the useless folk in Congress. They are so wrapped up in process they get nothing done, ever. To them success is working that process from beginning to end and is also the sole measure of success. That the President vetoes it or the dems filibuster it making the entire procedure moot is lost to those folk. Kill the filibuster, the dems do when desired, and force votes and amendments.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one interested in this?
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We will never again get our leviathan back into its constitutional box. Our republic is gone, long gone. What we have now is a democracy, a tyranny of the majority of the moment.

    We have been fundamentally transformed from a nation of people endowed by their Creator with certain and inalienable rights into a nation of people endowed by each other with therefore uncertain and quite alienable entitlements.

    All we have left is the same not-knowing that got us here. We are falling not flying, and I see the bottom coming up fast.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We got here because we stopped holding our politicians accountable, let them legislate themselves into jobs for life and then let them move most of their actual legislating to regulators. All we needed was a despot to take advantage of the power vacuum in the Congress....We got one and we see the results.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Rome will never be the same... Hail Caesar. How long will the republic turned empire last until the barbarians burn it down?
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That used to take generations...Now I fear all the forces of evil need is a few years.
     
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    Well it's kind of hard to hold politicians accountable when the media is pretty much a propaganda machine. It's controlled by basically six people.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6

    Now, individual cases of media propaganda escape me, but http://conservative-headlines.com/ is really good for stories that the mainstream media doesn't cover. Mostly black-on-white crime, but on the left, the website has a column of links to other websites where you'll find some good news stories the media misses.

    My point is that as long as the media is a propaganda machine and omits stories based on politics/political correctness/outright bias, you aren't going to have a population holding their politicians accountable, because the population doesn't know what's going on.

    Spread the word. Get involved in local politics. Help your people. Help your country.
     
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    Spooky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You seem to be suggesting that there was a time when we have held our politicians accountable. I can tell you from years of studying our political system that our Congress today is no worse than it has ever been. In fact, I would argue its probably better.

    There was almost no accountability in the past, at least before the invention of mass communication that happens instantly with radio and television. You think it is so horrible now because you know instantly what is going on, just imagine what it was like when you had to wait for the news to filter to you through newsprint.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe it is worse now because we have created the unaccountable regulator and because we have a changed Congress. In the past Congress jealously guarded institutional power. Today we have more loyalty to the team, the party so legislators (how passe) will and do vote against their interests. It is like when the Senate moved from a representative of the States to simply a big Congressional district. Who they looked out for changed. We see the same today. No one looks out for the voters, or at least no one in leadership.
     

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