The folly of religion: You can be an addle-minded believer but don't force it on me!

You left out China the most outrageous example and particuarly of note since a member of the obama team publicly expressed her admiration for Mao.

It has been shown and documented that Atheistic regimes are the greatest violators of human rights....yet the diehard atheists then come back with...but atheism is not a religion....not understanding what the definition of religion is. Like they should be given a pass because they are not a religion....pathetic.

Atheism is the belief that there is no god. According to the Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy:

"Atheism is the position that affirms the non-existence of God. It proposes positive disbelief rather than mere suspension of belief."

 

Where do you get this from? There is no atheist ideology.

Or is it that as humans collect knowledge about the world around them that more and more come to see the unlikelihood and the absurdity of god stories.

 

Proof that God exists>>>>

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No Atheist Idealogy? Of course there is. One adherent of the Atheist ideology is that all religion is equally bad. There is no difference. Another adherent is even though all religion is equally bad--- Christianity is worthy of more contempt then Islam. And of course---Atheists have no belief. As opposed to Atheists don't believe in a God. The last one being of particular importance. Atheists tend to share similar values---which is what happens when adhere to a similar ideology.

Its just good o commonsense that people who don't believe in a higher power are totally oblivious too.

 

In a nutshell...........there is more in heaven and earth than any finite human mind can conceive of..........consider the fact that it was just on the news yesterday that they have discovered a black hole 12 billion times larger than the sun.....scientists say it will force them to reconsider all their theories on the formation of the universe.

 

Well, some of that is true. Take for instance the "global warming" religion. They use superstition to control their adherents and right now are attempting to force their beliefs on the rest of us.

 

Like Hitler, I suppose. After all he was superstitious and genocidal. Seems that all the genocidal behavios these days, in the Middle East and in Africa are all being practiced by religious people. In fact much of it is one religious group verses another religious group. There is genocidal behavior in the bible yet I can recall no "atheist" calling for genocide.

 

So you agree that religion is a destructive force?

 

Agree completely. There is no hard science behind the climate-changers' position. And yet they want to make us all live in grass huts and drive hybrids (themselves horribly bad for the environment).

So the Muslim radicals want to chop off heads in the name of their religion: Bad. The Climate Changers want to make me live in a grass hut: Bad. The Christians want to dictate by law whom you may marry: Bad. All reigions: Bad. /thread.

 

And reconsider they will. Because that's what logic and reason dictate. I don't believe the Earth revolves around the sun because I have faith. I believe it because of the hard scientific evidence that I have seen. Now, please explain your theory on the origins of the universe...

 

As an example of my previous post, what you have posted here is your belief about atheists not the reality of the situation. You have been led to believe this about atheists but you really don't know. You are violating one of your commandments, "Thou shall not bear false witness."

I used to serve on the board of a couple of atheist organizations. A characterization of atheist organizations is that their membership is extremely low compared to the general atheist population - something on the order of 1%. The reason for this is that for most non-believers the subject of religion and god and all that are things that don't cross their mind. There is no need to meet with other non-believers to decide what we believe or don't believe, or what moral imperatives we should follow or any of that.

The thing that sets atheists, or non-believers, apart from religious folks is that non-believers see this life as the only one we have and strive to make the best of it, for ourselves, and for others while religious folk pin their hopes on an imagined afterlife.

 

So what you are citing as an example of something beyond what a finite human mind can conceive of is something that finite human minds can and are conceiving?

 

Yea, yea, yea, a bunch of double-talk non-sense.

Proof is demonstrable proof. That a place mentioned in the bible is found to exist doesn't demonstrate that a perceived god also exists.

Let's take the subject of electricity, which was bought up in the cited article. I can demonstrate the properties of electricity, I can control and manipulate it. I can make it have effects on other things. I can even make you feel it. Likewise I can say that I have a tree in my back yard that bears purple leaves. I can demonstrate it by showing my tree. There is no comparable demonstrable proof for the existence for a god. Not only that but if a god were regularly communicating with the material world we would have by now been able to detect such a communication.

Didn't God knock down a stone tower because he thought it was getting too close to heaven. But he didn't lift a finger to stop airplanes or spaceships. If that tower was such a threat, then airplanes and rocket ships must have already ripped though heaven many many times over.

 

I've noticed a couple things about people who rehash this argument. At some point in your life you tried to force some Christian person to submit to you and reject their faith. When they didn't, you made the relationship end and blamed them, and "religion" instead of yourself for causing the event. You have probably caused yourself more than a bit of pointless suffering through your own belligerence.

 

do you hang on to this quaint anachronism because you're disturbed by the truth of secular societies thriving?

 

agree, Christians did the same to Pagans and other religions, pretty sick imo

recently Muslims also did this to a Buddhist statue under Bush too.. Sick

just how many Mulsim and Christian monuments are on previous religions holly spots? should we tear down these attacks on the other religions?

 

Arguing that a non-belief system is somehow a belief system is a bit silly. To be an atheist doesn't require much. All it takes is not to believe in religion, in gods, in an afterlife. That's it. When that's out of the way there are other, more important things to think about. How to live a good life. How to construct a good society. Those are important issues for atheists to think about. Because there's no need to think about religion there's a bit more room for thinking.

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. As I said, you may believe whatever the hell you want. But when you are going to chop people's heads off and destroy cultural treasures because your tiny mind thinks it pleases your sky fairy, I'm going to tell you to go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself.

 

How are the relevant religions different?

 

I would add that leaders build things, secularists who think they can lead just by trying to destroy until only their dialectic is left will never be leaders. Even communists try to build something, while your type lacks this basic quality of leadership. The whole "Christians = ISIS" thing is absurd. Christians won't bake you a cake and ISIS would bake you into a cake.

 

Ah, now you are going to twist my argument to suit your purposes. I never said "Christians = ISIS." Go ahead, quote me on that... I dare you.

 

Religion is religion. ISIS or Crusaders, it doesn't matter. It's the ability to control minds that is the point.

 

Its mostly only Christians and Muslims that destroy artwork not associated with their religions

 

And many of those same religious figures ordered the destruction of works of art because they were NOT inspired by their beliefs.