Cheney: Obama is the worst President of my lifetime Part II

you claimed that the democratic party had a "lot more" of those folks than the republicans. Unsupportable by any measure except your own sense of self-grandeur.

 

But of course I'm correct. It's a scientific fact!

 

you bore me. amf

 

Really, then support your "fact", because I have seen multiple polls showing those with higher education levels vote democratic...

 

He's partly responsible, but not entirely so. The President is somewhat of a figurehead, so it's hard to blame them for systemic issues like monetary policy; however, it's fair to blame Presidents when and where they exercise executive authorities in some unilateral manner, like Bush issuing executives orders that tried to justify NSA mass spying or Obama assassinating an American teenager without trial.

 

hussein is the worst cleric in my lifetime...

 

Certainly. Being a figureheads to some extend, the Presidents are also a role models, to the Nation and to the aspiring youth. B*** job in the Oral Orifice immediately comes to mind, as well as giving speech on Ambassador's murder and flying off to Vegas while Ambassador's body is still warm.

Right?

 

I'm not sure why you're still trying to test me for inconsistencies, especially when this entire exchange was predicated upon your false accusation that I uniformly blamed Bush for the recession.

What really matters is that "Cautiously Conservative", whose defense you rushed to, ran away from the debate because he did not have a valid rebuttal to my points about Carter. Apparently, neither do you.

 

Correct. I have asserted that the effect of 9/11 on our economy was minor.

You must have failed Logic 101 to make such a sophomoric logical error. Your conclusion is based on a false premise that *all* negative effects on the economy post 9/11 must have been caused *solely* by 9/11 and no other cause. As I have already pointed out, the economy was already in a slow down because of the dot.com bubble burst.

Second, the effects on our economy of both the dot.com bubble and 9/11 were relatively minor. The economy grew 1.0% real (3.3% actual) even in the worst year, and the unemployment rate never went above 6.3%. Compare that to the Great Recession or even the '81 recession. Or virtually any other recession for that matter.

Well jeez, why would you expect me (or anyone else) to remain silent when confronted with the kind of basic logical failures you exhibit?

 

Close, but exactly what I said was posted here, with the link to the post: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=401583&page=13&p=1064851270#post1064851270

"I'm not saying that 9-11 had no effect on the economy, but it was minor."

The 9/11 attack had some major effects, for example, providing the neocons and the Bush administration the excuse for invading Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11. But the economic effects on the country were minor.

I haven't denied saying it once. Quite making (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

What I denied is saying all the stuff *you* made up, like your false claims that I said that "a 54% decrease in jobs is not significant" and that I "called a 54% reduction in employment MINOR".

I'm not the one making stuff up.

 

That in your view is me saying "Bush created too many government jobs"?

Un-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing-believable.

 

You're the one who brought up Obama creating all these government jobs, and then you post Bush out pacing Obama hands down.

You are right, un-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing believable

BTW, after the Bergdahl total (*)(*)(*)(*) up from Obama, he will without a doubt be labeled the worst president ever. Obama has totally (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up everything he has touched in the middle east, with the latest being Yemen and the stability he was bragging about. Amazing you actually voted for this idiot twice

 

So exactly how do you possibly have me saying "Bush created too many government jobs" from this:

Obama
Federal Spending increase, 2009-2014: -0.53%
Total government employment, 2009-2014: -540,000

Reagan
Federal Spending increase, 1981-1986: +46.0%.
Total government employment, 1981-1986: +879,000

Bush
Federal Spending increase, 2001-2006: +42.5%
Total government employment, 2001-2006: +840,000

source data
Expenditures: http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/c...udgetData.xlsx
Employment: http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cesbtab1.htm

Un-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing believable

Thanks for sharing your opinion. What a shocker coming from you.

o Economy that was tanking at a -9% rate and shedding 700,000+ jobs a month turned around
o a record 60 straight months of private sector employment growth.
o 125% increase in the stock markets since taking office
o More than halved the deficit in 4 years.
o Got Osama bin Laden.
o Saved 2-3 million jobs with stimulus package
o First decrease in spending in a year in decades - 3 times.
o Stock markets up 170% since bottom of the recession in 2009
o Over 11 million additional private sector jobs created since Jan 2010
o Oil production increasing for the first time in decades.
o Ousted Muamar Kadaffi at 1/1000 the cost of the Iraq war
o Deficit reduced by a then record $212 billion, down 16%, in 2012.
o Deficit reduced by a new record $408 billion, down 37%, in 2013
o Record corporate profits
o Passed health care reform that will provide coverage to tens of millions of Americans
o 5 straight years of GDP growth
o Unemployment rate dropped from 10% to 5.6%
o U.S. becomes world's top petroleum and energy producer
o Passed financial regulation reform to prevent another housing bubble fiasco.
o Diplomatically coerced Syria to give up WMD without war or loss of single American life.
o Recovered all jobs lost in the worst recession in 80 years
o Lowest rate of spending increases of any president in modern history
o On-budget deficit has decreased every full fiscal year he's been in office.
o Average initial jobless claims drops to levels last seen when Clinton was president.
o US domestic oil use decreasing
o Net creation of millions of people employed despite inheriting a economy losing 700,000+ jobs a month

My opinion is that if Obama were a white Republican, conservatives would be hailing him as a savior.

 

LOL...so you took time off, recharged yourself and come back full barrels blasting the exact same nonsense as before? Tell someone who cares.
My points have been made, remade and then made again and I assume if you had anything of value to share I would have heard it by now.

 

Just clarifying the record.

 

Your version of the record was clarified long ago.
Some people would say what you are doing now is beating a dead horse.

 

People can say whatever they want. The record is in the posts. It's not mine.

 

My theory is, some people are physically incapable of seeing it. It's a classic case of Morton's Demon.

 

How's that black unemployment doing under Obama?

 

It's dropped down from 16.5% at the peak of the recession he inherited to 10.4% now. Why do you ask?

 

It's not your record yet you claim to be clarifying it. Interesting.....

I don't think the problem is people don't understand your claims. Your problem is they do.

 

Race Card play. Drink! Thanks.

 

I suppose that's why you write unintelligible sentences (not that your grammatically correct sentences make any more sense).

Of course, I disagree.
And if you think my assertions were false, start a thread about how Libya is better off now then when Colonel Qadaffi was in power.
Or, just the opposite (depending on what position it is you now claim to hold). I would be delighted to chip in.

 

You're welcome. My statement would not be accurate otherwise IMO.

 

I'm sure. Feel free to prove to everyone you're write by linking and quoting my posts were I said that "a 54% decrease in jobs is not significant" and that I "called a 54% reduction in employment MINOR" as you falsely asserted.

Why should I do that?