Abortion law expected to save 600 babies yearly

Yes, that's the "you didn't give me any money so it's ok to kill my fetus" mentality.

Maternity medical care is vastly overrated. The medical profession has basically turned childbirth into a routine money-making enterprise, where a hospital stay is seen as a 'necessity' in our modern day culture.
Just hire a midwife and let it take place in the comfort of your own home. MUCH cheaper.

 

Well, no one is being liquefied except in your little dream world.....there is NO one to have a choice.......

 

keep denying it, whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

I sleep fine at night.

But you must have insomnia worrying about all those"baaaaaaabies" and women having all the sex they want with NO "consequences


And you can deny science but it will never go away and leave you in peace

 

funny how those in the pro-abort camp like to claim science is on their side (and it's not just on the issue of abortion)

In the Womb: National Geographic Documentary

The science doesn't look so good for you now does it?

 

The mods have wisely informed us that there are no "pro-Aborts"....


IF your link shows the true progress of a pregnancy or whatever it is you're touting now, it is all science....

 

Health care is provided in some Countries, but here in the USA when the mother does not have insurance then all they get is at the time of delivery and nothing else.

The pregnant mothers and the babies need far more than what our society provides.

I will agree that the Obama-care has improved things here in the USA, but the Republicans are trying to get rid of that ASAP.


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I see how you degrade that as some "mentality" but I say it is far worse then society failing to give assistance to the needy because we actually punish both the parents (fathers and mothers) who can not afford their baby and yet did not get the orchestrated abortion.

The mothers are insulted and impoverished and forced into subservient trashy jobs, while the fathers are turned into criminals by the Child Support system.

That is not some mentality as it is systematic punishment for the parents (father and mother) who do not get the abortion.

That is fine for your self or any other volunteer, but you putting that onto the poor and needy citizens is just your own cold cruel mentality.

 

Why? Most American women gave birth in their own homes before the 1930's. What's wrong with that?
Most pregnant women do not have any special complications that would require them to go to the hospital. Home birth isn't as bad as it sounds. An experienced midwife can guide the woman through the process effortlessly, while submerged in a little pool of water. Some women have even commented that they felt less pain with a water birth and a midewife's help than they did lying on a cold table at the hospital with a body numbing epidural.

 

When it is capable of making and articulating a choice, then maybe it can have one....

 

We have universal health care in my country (we also have a lower abortion rate), but I thought low income women could get free care in the US?

Geez, Anders - even one of your fellow anti choicers disagrees with you.

 

And the mortality rates were higher back then.....

Neonatal mortality:
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Maternal Mortality - I can't find a graph going back that far but I'm sure it didn't decline then increase again in 1967
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Oh , since when did you ever give a damn how women felt or what they went through. ? PFFFT!

NO, women no longer give birth at home like the family pet....they have clean safe surroundings and people who are prepared to take care of mother and child should anything go wrong which, despite your stupid denial, does happen.

 

Since when have "women's rights" supporters ever cared about the child ???

And abortion laws would reduce the neonatal mortality rate far more than hospital deliveries would.

Hey, I have an idea. How about women getting abortions have to PAY to save the life of another baby in medical trouble? A tax could be placed on abortion, which could then be used to provide hospital stays for other women giving birth who cannot afford a hospital delivery room. That way, a life would be saved for every life taken. Seems fair enough. But I bet that would be very expensive, putting all those women in the hospital, just to save one baby (since the risk of any single birth going wrong is very low).

I'm not pro-life, per se, I'm just Anti-Murder.

 

The only way to protect the child is to protect the woman.

 

Since when haven't women rights supporters cared about children?

It's the Anti-women-rights Repub/conservative/anti-choicers who delight in shutting down clinics for women health. They are the ones who whine about programs that help poor children. THEY are the ones who denigrate poor women who have children.

They are the ones who DENY that pregnancy has side effects and say that childbirth is no big deal so women can just pop them out at home ....sound familiar? YOU said it.

 

Since when have anti choicers ever cared about the woman?

Proof, please.

Or, how about anti choicers pay for it, since it's YOU demanding that women give birth and not abort.

Murder is not the topic, abortion is. And you are anti-choice.

 

The difference is that "abortion supporters" are not forcing women to have a abortions.

 

That is fine for those who want to do that, and home birthing is sometimes done in third world Countries.

For myself as a Man in the USA then I want the Ladies (the mothers) to go to a hospital, and I want a Doctor to monitor the pregnancy from beginning through till the delivery and onward.

What I see you suggesting is for the USA to move backward in our Health Care for pregnancy and I hope that you do not succeed.

Unfortunately I believe the US Republican Party wants the American people to be denied health care services too, or at least deny the health care to the poorer people in the population, and maybe the Republicans will succeed in that cruel inhuman way but I hope not.

Republicans want to get rid of Obama-care and replace it with NOTHING, and that is barbaric of them.

The same is true for abortions, in that they just want to end abortions but they still want to punish the parents who do have the baby by committing the parents into life long poverty.

So you are not alone.


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The USA is a Country of lies, and it is very often clever and brilliant lies, so the truth gets hidden and trampled underneath.

We Democrats tried to get universal health care in the USA but the rich white Republicans stopped that from happening.

With the new Obama-care things are now better than before, but the Republicans have made the Obama-care into a trap for the citizens who sign up because the Republicans have scared the entire Country that they are going to repeal the Health Care law and throw everyone out into NOTHING.

The Hospitals are required to accept any pregnant woman if they are in the process of delivery (the baby coming out) but otherwise the people are given a very hard time with any health care.

It is confusing because we have lies everywhere, so everyone must know the truth from the lies or else they get screwed and it is complicated to know what is what, and of course it is different for a white person who will always be given far more assistance then that given to any non white person.

 

So you are a Liberal pro-life Catholic?

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No, but women who get abortions are forcing the unborn lives within them to be aborted.

 

Having your usual trouble addressing posts ???

 

No , you are "Pro- punish women for everything they do" supporter....


You just can't admit all the times when you've been proven wrong about abortion being murder...



Why haven't you accepted Fugazi's challenge in the Debate Forum yet ?